You seem to be getting a little emotional here (#34). Please understand that I have no ill will or ill thoughts of you as a person. In fact, I honestly respect you. In (#33) I give you props! I believe you have good intentions. I believe you lend a hand to your community and I appreciate all of your posts. Even though most of the time your posts sadden me.

Your first 3 sentences in (#34) are very telling! “No Tanya, I get it, it’s you that seems a bit out of touch. See you are clearly so conditioned you don’t even realize it. Clothing is not the reason why young black men are harassed by cops.”

My beef DC, is not with you, it is with your, (and please don’t get offended, but I have to say it) slave mentality. Again DC, this is not a personal attack on you, it is an attack on the conditioning of black people in this country. Please just take a moment and ponder upon where you may be wrong. Because it is definitely you that is out of touch.

You said to me, “Abre los ojos.” (Open your eyes)

I say to you, Mis ojos son abiertos de par en par. (My eyes are
wide open.)

¡Sus ojos se cierran de par en par! (Your eyes are wide shut!)

In (#27) I stated, “Police can identify criminals and thugs and trouble makers based on their demeanor, actions, gestures, language and surroundings, among other things, despite of their clothes. But wearing a suit is a great start, but not a necessity.”

I clearly indicate that clothes are not the end all be all factor. And for the record, I do not believe that clothes should play any factor in determining who a person is.

However, my eyes are open wide enough to see, and know that white people, and cops in general judge all people, (Black, White, Hispanic, Asian) based on HOW THEY ARE DRESSED!

I went to an elite private HS in NY. My graduating class consisted of 435 people. 35 of us, were black. I know white people better than white people know white people. 15 of the white guys I went to HS with are Captains, Lieutenants, and Detectives for NYPD. 1 of them I am very, very good friends with and speak to often. This white boy is cool as hell. He is far from a racist, but he targets people when he is on the beat and they trained him to.

He told me exactly how it goes down. If the cops see a black man with dreads, he becomes a target and is regarded as a Rastafarian and Rastafarians are approached by cops in a certain manner based on their tendencies.

If he sees a black guy dressed in a certain way, or wearing certain colors (i.e. blue or red) they become a target and are regarded as gang-bangers.

In NY we have a Hispanic gang called Latin Kings, their color is yellow. If the cops see a Spanish guy wearing yellow and acting in a certain manner they become a target and are regarded as gang-bangers.

In NY we have another Hispanic gang called MS-13 (these dudes are gangsta). They have certain tattoos, signs, hair cuts and if the cops identify you as doing or saying something closely related to this gang, you are regarded as one of them.

In NY we have very ’bout it Korean and Chinese gangs that go hard. And again the cops have ways to identify them (certain style of dress) and if any Asian displays and indication that they MAY belong to one of these gangs, they also become a target.

And I’m sure you’re familiar with the Arian Nation, the white gang where most of the members are bold and have swastika tattoos. Well the Arians beef with cops all the time. So if you are white and have a bold head and tattoo that looks like a swastika, you are going to be targeted by the cops and regarded as a gang-banger too.

Many people may display various aspects of these gangs, but may have not relation to any gang at all. But as a survival technique, the cops consider you a threat.

So you see DC clothes are very often the main reason cops harass someone. Not the only, but often one of the main. Therefore, for you to say that, “Clothing is not the reason why young black men are harassed by cops.” Just shows how blind, conditioned and sadly wrong you are, and it breaks my heart.

Many people hate the cops, Blacks, Whites, Hispanics, Asians. And the cops know this. The cops are in a very dangerous position and they are constantly on the defensive. Everyone in their eyes is a threat, because a representative from every race has attacked and killed a cop.

I know, and you know, that not every black man that wears blue or red is a Blood or a Crip. You know, and I know, that some very soft, nerdy black dudes wear “gang-like gear” but pose no threat to anyone. But the fact of the matter is, the cops are trained to make quick judgments and group people by threat value.

I think the very nature of the white man is to fear the black man, so they are on heighten alert when it comes to any and every black men. But the way we dress can do a lot to lesson this fear, and not be grouped as a threat.

This article
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,353045,00.html

talks about how kids with razor lines in their eyebrows are considered gang members. I would encourage you all to read it as it may leverage some insight to my position.

I see little innocent black boys in my neighborhood with these razor lines in their eyebrows, and I know they are good, smart kids, who are just young and trying to be cool. I know they are not in a gang. But if they go into a crime area in Queens with their lined eyebrows, the cops will certainly harass them and consider it an excuse to pull their gun. My advice to these kids, don’t shave lines in your eyebrows. Period. DC, I think you would just focus on telling them how to deal with the cops when they are confronted.

PS- DC I wouldn’t be surprised if during one of your harassment episodes with the police you were wearing a blue, perfectly harmless t-shirt and one of the white cops just saw the blue and thought – Crip!

Comment by Tanya — April 30, 2008 @ 7:51 pm

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Here is a link to the website of the Sheriff’s department in Florida instructing cops on how to identify gang members.

http://www.polksheriff.org/library/gangs/identifying.html

DC, please note that on this site they indicate “dress” as a factor in identifying gang members. That sounds to me like they would, judge, harass, target someone based on their clothes. But in your world, “Clothing is not the reason why young black men are harassed by cops.”

Comment by Tanya — April 30, 2008 @ 8:22 pm

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Bottom-line people, if you don’t want the black men in your life becoming the next Sean Bell. Make sure they love themselves enough to not join gangs or do criminal things or hang in criminal areas. The cops are racist yes, but doing wrong things gives them an excuse to exercise their racism.

So don’t just teach them how to deal with cops:

“(1) keep your hands at 10 and 2 on the wheel, (2) don’t unbuckle your seatbelt or turn off the car until the cop approaches the car, (3) turn on all interior lights, (4) don’t make any sudden movements, (5) turn off the radio if it’s on, (5) as you’re reaching for you license and paperwork let the cop know exactly where it is located so again there are no surprises, (6) lastly say very little and there’s a chance you may live to see another day.” – Comment by DCI74 — April 29, 2008 @ 1:27 pm

Teach them how to avoid the cops:

Live a clean life; do not get involved with drugs, guns and gangs. Most importantly teach them how to act, dress and live a criminal free life.

Comment by Tanya — April 30, 2008 @ 8:34 pm

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Another Sheriff’s site directing cops to use clothing as an indicator of a threat/gang.

http://www.pcsheriff.org/How-to-Identify-Gangs.htm

Comment by Tanya — April 30, 2008 @ 8:45 pm

You seem to be getting a little emotional here (#34). Please understand that I have no ill will or ill thoughts of you as a person. In fact, I honestly respect you. In (#33) I give you props! I believe you have good intentions. I believe you lend a hand to your community and I appreciate all of your posts. Even though most of the time your posts sadden me.

Your first 3 sentences in (#34) are very telling! “No Tanya, I get it, it’s you that seems a bit out of touch. See you are clearly so conditioned you don’t even realize it. Clothing is not the reason why young black men are harassed by cops.”

My beef DC, is not with you, it is with your, (and please don’t get offended, but I have to say it) slave mentality. Again DC, this is not a personal attack on you, it is an attack on the conditioning of black people in this country. Please just take a moment and ponder upon where you may be wrong. Because it is definitely you that is out of touch.

You said to me, “Abre los ojos.” (Open your eyes)

I say to you, Mis ojos son abiertos de par en par. (My eyes are
wide open.)

¡Sus ojos se cierran de par en par! (Your eyes are wide shut!)

In (#27) I stated, “Police can identify criminals and thugs and trouble makers based on their demeanor, actions, gestures, language and surroundings, among other things, despite of their clothes. But wearing a suit is a great start, but not a necessity.”

I clearly indicate that clothes are not the end all be all factor. And for the record, I do not believe that clothes should play any factor in determining who a person is.

However, my eyes are open wide enough to see, and know that white people, and cops in general judge all people, (Black, White, Hispanic, Asian) based on HOW THEY ARE DRESSED!

I went to an elite private HS in NY. My graduating class consisted of 435 people. 35 of us, were black. I know white people better than white people know white people. 15 of the white guys I went to HS with are Captains, Lieutenants, and Detectives for NYPD. 1 of them I am very, very good friends with and speak to often. This white boy is cool as hell. He is far from a racist, but he targets people when he is on the beat and they trained him to.

He told me exactly how it goes down. If the cops see a black man with dreads, he becomes a target and is regarded as a Rastafarian and Rastafarians are approached by cops in a certain manner based on their tendencies.

If he sees a black guy dressed in a certain way, or wearing certain colors (i.e. blue or red) they become a target and are regarded as gang-bangers.

In NY we have a Hispanic gang called Latin Kings, their color is yellow. If the cops see a Spanish guy wearing yellow and acting in a certain manner they become a target and are regarded as gang-bangers.

In NY we have another Hispanic gang called MS-13 (these dudes are gangsta). They have certain tattoos, signs, hair cuts and if the cops identify you as doing or saying something closely related to this gang, you are regarded as one of them.

In NY we have very ’bout it Korean and Chinese gangs that go hard. And again the cops have ways to identify them (certain style of dress) and if any Asian displays and indication that they MAY belong to one of these gangs, they also become a target.

And I’m sure you’re familiar with the Arian Nation, the white gang where most of the members are bold and have swastika tattoos. Well the Arians beef with cops all the time. So if you are white and have a bold head and tattoo that looks like a swastika, you are going to be targeted by the cops and regarded as a gang-banger too.

Many people may display various aspects of these gangs, but may have not relation to any gang at all. But as a survival technique, the cops consider you a threat.

So you see DC clothes are very often the main reason cops harass someone. Not the only, but often one of the main. Therefore, for you to say that, “Clothing is not the reason why young black men are harassed by cops.” Just shows how blind, conditioned and sadly wrong you are, and it breaks my heart.

Many people hate the cops, Blacks, Whites, Hispanics, Asians. And the cops know this. The cops are in a very dangerous position and they are constantly on the defensive. Everyone in their eyes is a threat, because a representative from every race has attacked and killed a cop.

I know, and you know, that not every black man that wears blue or red is a Blood or a Crip. You know, and I know, that some very soft, nerdy black dudes wear “gang-like gear” but pose no threat to anyone. But the fact of the matter is, the cops are trained to make quick judgments and group people by threat value.

I think the very nature of the white man is to fear the black man, so they are on heighten alert when it comes to any and every black men. But the way we dress can do a lot to lesson this fear, and not be grouped as a threat.

This article
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,353045,00.html

talks about how kids with razor lines in their eyebrows are considered gang members. I would encourage you all to read it as it may leverage some insight to my position.

I see little innocent black boys in my neighborhood with these razor lines in their eyebrows, and I know they are good, smart kids, who are just young and trying to be cool. I know they are not in a gang. But if they go into a crime area in Queens with their lined eyebrows, the cops will certainly harass them and consider it an excuse to pull their gun. My advice to these kids, don’t shave lines in your eyebrows. Period. DC, I think you would just focus on telling them how to deal with the cops when they are confronted.

PS- DC I wouldn’t be surprised if during one of your harassment episodes with the police you were wearing a blue, perfectly harmless t-shirt and one of the white cops just saw the blue and thought – Crip!

Comment by Tanya — April 30, 2008 @ 7:51 pm

*************************************************************
Here is a link to the website of the Sheriff’s department in Florida instructing cops on how to identify gang members.

http://www.polksheriff.org/library/gangs/identifying.html

DC, please note that on this site they indicate “dress” as a factor in identifying gang members. That sounds to me like they would, judge, harass, target someone based on their clothes. But in your world, “Clothing is not the reason why young black men are harassed by cops.”

Comment by Tanya — April 30, 2008 @ 8:22 pm

*************************************************************
Bottom-line people, if you don’t want the black men in your life becoming the next Sean Bell. Make sure they love themselves enough to not join gangs or do criminal things or hang in criminal areas. The cops are racist yes, but doing wrong things gives them an excuse to exercise their racism.

So don’t just teach them how to deal with cops:

“(1) keep your hands at 10 and 2 on the wheel, (2) don’t unbuckle your seatbelt or turn off the car until the cop approaches the car, (3) turn on all interior lights, (4) don’t make any sudden movements, (5) turn off the radio if it’s on, (5) as you’re reaching for you license and paperwork let the cop know exactly where it is located so again there are no surprises, (6) lastly say very little and there’s a chance you may live to see another day.” – Comment by DCI74 — April 29, 2008 @ 1:27 pm

Teach them how to avoid the cops:

Live a clean life; do not get involved with drugs, guns and gangs. Most importantly teach them how to act, dress and live a criminal free life.

Comment by Tanya — April 30, 2008 @ 8:34 pm

***************************************************************
Another Sheriff’s site directing cops to use clothing as an indicator of a threat/gang.

http://www.pcsheriff.org/How-to-Identify-Gangs.htm

Comment by Tanya — April 30, 2008 @ 8:45 pm

I am having problems submitting a comment.

You seem to be getting a little emotional here (#34). Please understand that I have no ill will or ill thoughts of you as a person. In fact, I honestly respect you. In (#33) I give you props! I believe you have good intentions. I believe you lend a hand to your community and I appreciate all of your posts. Even though most of the time your posts sadden me.

Your first 3 sentences in (#34) are very telling! “No Tanya, I get it, it’s you that seems a bit out of touch. See you are clearly so conditioned you don’t even realize it. Clothing is not the reason why young black men are harassed by cops.”

My beef DC, is not with you, it is with your, (and please don’t get offended, but I have to say it) slave mentality. Again DC, this is not a personal attack on you, it is an attack on the conditioning of black people in this country. Please just take a moment and ponder upon where you may be wrong. Because it is definitely you that is out of touch.

You said to me, “Abre los ojos.” (Open your eyes)

I say to you, Mis ojos son abiertos de par en par. (My eyes are wide open.)

¡Sus ojos se cierran de par en par! (Your eyes are wide shut!)

In (#27) I stated, “Police can identify criminals and thugs and trouble makers based on their demeanor, actions, gestures, language and surroundings, among other things, despite of their clothes. But wearing a suit is a great start, but not a necessity.”

I clearly indicate that clothes are not the end all be all factor. And for the record, I do not believe that clothes should play any factor in determining who a person is.
However, my eyes are open wide enough to see, and know that white people, and cops in general judge all people, (Black, White, Hispanic, Asian) based on HOW THEY ARE DRESSED!

I went to an elite private HS in NY. My graduating class consisted of 435 people. 35 of us, were black. I know white people better than white people know white people. 15 of the white guys I went to HS with are Captains, Lieutenants, and Detectives for NYPD. 1 of them I am very, very good friends with and speak to often. This white boy is cool as hell. He is far from a racist, but he targets people when he is on the beat and they trained him to.

He told me exactly how it goes down. If the cops see a black man with dreads, he becomes a target and is regarded as a Rastafarian and Rastafarians are approached by cops in a certain manner based on their tendencies.

If he sees a black guy dressed in a certain way, or wearing certain colors (i.e. blue or red) they become a target and are regarded as gang-bangers.

In NY we have a Hispanic gang called Latin Kings, their color is yellow. If the cops see a Spanish guy wearing yellow and acting in a certain manner they become a target and are regarded as gang-bangers.

In NY we have another Hispanic gang called MS-13 (these dudes are gangsta). They have certain tattoos, signs, hair cuts and if the cops identify you as doing or saying something closely related to this gang, you are regarded as one of them.

In NY we have very ‘bout it Korean and Chinese gangs that go hard. And again the cops have ways to identify them (certain style of dress) and if any Asian displays and indication that they MAY belong to one of these gangs, they also become a target.

And I’m sure you’re familiar with the Arian Nation, the white gang where most of the members are bold and have swastika tattoos. Well the Arians beef with cops all the time. So if you are white and have a bold head and tattoo that looks like a swastika, you are going to be targeted by the cops and regarded as a gang-banger too.

Many people may display various aspects of these gangs, but may have not relation to any gang at all. But as a survival technique, the cops consider you a threat.

So you see DC clothes are very often the main reason cops harass someone. Not the only, but often one of the main. Therefore, for you to say that, “Clothing is not the reason why young black men are harassed by cops.” Just shows how blind, conditioned and sadly wrong you are, and it breaks my heart.

Many people hate the cops, Blacks, Whites, Hispanics, Asians. And the cops know this. The cops are in a very dangerous position and they are constantly on the defensive. Everyone in their eyes is a threat, because a representative from every race has attacked and killed a cop.

I know, and you know, that not every black man that wears blue or red is a Blood or a Crip. You know, and I know, that some very soft, nerdy black dudes wear “gang-like gear” but pose no threat to anyone. But the fact of the matter is, the cops are trained to make quick judgments and group people by threat value.

I think the very nature of the white man is to fear the black man, so they are on heighten alert when it comes to any and every black men. But the way we dress can do a lot to lesson this fear, and not be grouped as a threat.

This article http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,353045,00.html talks about how kids with razor lines in their eyebrows are considered gang members. I would encourage you all to read it as it may leverage some insight to my position.

I see little innocent black boys in my neighborhood with these razor lines in their eyebrows, and I know they are good, smart kids, who are just young and trying to be cool. I know they are not in a gang. But if they go into a crime area in Queens with their lined eyebrows, the cops will certainly harass them and consider it an excuse to pull their gun. My advice to these kids, don’t shave lines in your eyebrows. Period. DC, I think you would just focus on telling them how to deal with the cops when they are confronted.

PS- DC I wouldn’t be surprised if during one of your harassment episodes with the police you were wearing a blue, perfectly harmless t-shirt and one of the white cops just saw the blue and thought – Crip!

Comment by Tanya — April 30, 2008 @ 7:51 pm

You seem to be getting a little emotional here (#34). Please understand that I have no ill will or ill thoughts of you as a person. In fact, I honestly respect you. In (#33) I give you props! I believe you have good intentions. I believe you lend a hand to your community and I appreciate all of your posts. Even though most of the time your posts sadden me.

Your first 3 sentences in (#34) are very telling! “No Tanya, I get it, it’s you that seems a bit out of touch. See you are clearly so conditioned you don’t even realize it. Clothing is not the reason why young black men are harassed by cops.”

My beef DC, is not with you, it is with your, (and please don’t get offended, but I have to say it) slave mentality. Again DC, this is not a personal attack on you, it is an attack on the conditioning of black people in this country. Please just take a moment and ponder upon where you may be wrong. Because it is definitely you that is out of touch.

You said to me, “Abre los ojos.” (Open your eyes)

I say to you, Mis ojos son abiertos de par en par. (My eyes are wide open.)

¡Sus ojos se cierran de par en par! (Your eyes are wide shut!)

In (#27) I stated, “Police can identify criminals and thugs and trouble makers based on their demeanor, actions, gestures, language and surroundings, among other things, despite of their clothes. But wearing a suit is a great start, but not a necessity.”

I clearly indicate that clothes are not the end all be all factor. And for the record, I do not believe that clothes should play any factor in determining who a person is.

However, my eyes are open wide enough to see, and know that white people, and cops in general judge all people, (Black, White, Hispanic, Asian) based on HOW THEY ARE DRESSED!

I went to an elite private HS in NY. My graduating class consisted of 435 people. 35 of us, were black. I know white people better than white people know white people. 15 of the white guys I went to HS with are Captains, Lieutenants, and Detectives for NYPD. 1 of them I am very, very good friends with and speak to often. This white boy is cool as hell. He is far from a racist, but he targets people when he is on the beat and they trained him to.

He told me exactly how it goes down. If the cops see a black man with dreads, he becomes a target and is regarded as a Rastafarian and Rastafarians are approached by cops in a certain manner based on their tendencies.
If he sees a black guy dressed in a certain way, or wearing certain colors (i.e. blue or red) they become a target and are regarded as gang-bangers.

In NY we have a Hispanic gang called Latin Kings, their color is yellow. If the cops see a Spanish guy wearing yellow and acting in a certain manner they become a target and are regarded as gang-bangers.

In NY we have another Hispanic gang called MS-13 (these dudes are gangsta). They have certain tattoos, signs, hair cuts and if the cops identify you as doing or saying something closely related to this gang, you are regarded as one of them.

In NY we have very ‘bout it Korean and Chinese gangs that go hard. And again the cops have ways to identify them (certain style of dress) and if any Asian displays and indication that they MAY belong to one of these gangs, they also become a target.

And I’m sure you’re familiar with the Arian Nation, the white gang where most of the members are bold and have swastika tattoos. Well the Arians beef with cops all the time. So if you are white and have a bold head and tattoo that looks like a swastika, you are going to be targeted by the cops and regarded as a gang-banger too.

Many people may display various aspects of these gangs, but may have not relation to any gang at all. But as a survival technique, the cops consider you a threat.

So you see DC clothes are very often the main reason cops harass someone. Not the only, but often one of the main. Therefore, for you to say that, “Clothing is not the reason why young black men are harassed by cops.” Just shows how blind, conditioned and sadly wrong you are, and it breaks my heart.

Many people hate the cops, Blacks, Whites, Hispanics, Asians. And the cops know this. The cops are in a very dangerous position and they are constantly on the defensive. Everyone in their eyes is a threat, because a representative from every race has attacked and killed a cop.

I know, and you know, that not every black man that wears blue or red is a Blood or a Crip. You know, and I know, that some very soft, nerdy black dudes wear “gang-like gear” but pose no threat to anyone. But the fact of the matter is, the cops are trained to make quick judgments and group people by threat value.

I think the very nature of the white man is to fear the black man, so they are on heighten alert when it comes to any and every black men. But the way we dress can do a lot to lesson this fear, and not be grouped as a threat.

This article http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,353045,00.html talks about how kids with razor lines in their eyebrows are considered gang members. I would encourage you all to read it as it may leverage some insight to my position.

I see little innocent black boys in my neighborhood with these razor lines in their eyebrows, and I know they are good, smart kids, who are just young and trying to be cool. I know they are not in a gang. But if they go into a crime area in Queens with their lined eyebrows, the cops will certainly harass them and consider it an excuse to pull their gun. My advice to these kids, don’t shave lines in your eyebrows. Period. DC, I think you would just focus on telling them how to deal with the cops when they are confronted.

PS- DC I wouldn’t be surprised if during one of your harassment episodes with the police you were wearing a blue, perfectly harmless t-shirt and one of the white cops just saw the blue and thought – Crip!

Comment by Tanya — April 30, 2008 @ 7:51 pm

http://www.polksheriff.org/library/gangs/identifying.html

DC, please note that on this site they indicate “dress” as a factor in identifying gang members. That sounds to me like they would, judge, harass, target someone based on their clothes. But in your world, “Clothing is not the reason why young black men are harassed by cops.”

So don’t just teach them how to deal with cops:

“(1) keep your hands at 10 and 2 on the wheel, (2) don’t unbuckle your seatbelt or turn off the car until the cop approaches the car, (3) turn on all interior lights, (4) don’t make any sudden movements, (5) turn off the radio if it’s on, (5) as you’re reaching for you license and paperwork let the cop know exactly where it is located so again there are no surprises, (6) lastly say very little and there’s a chance you may live to see another day.” – Comment by DCI74 — April 29, 2008 @ 1:27 pm

Teach them how to avoid the cops:

Live a clean life; do not get involved with drugs, guns and gangs. Most importantly teach them how to act, dress and live a criminal free life.

http://www.polksheriff.org/library/gangs/identifying.html

DC, please note that on this site they indicate “dress” as a factor in identifying gang members. That sounds to me like they would, judge, harass, target someone based on their clothes. But in your world, “Clothing is not the reason why young black men are harassed by cops.”