Mumia Reviews My New Book!

May 13, 2009 by Marc Lamont Hill

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The Power of Culture

by Mumia Abu-Jamal, May 5, 2009

[Review of: Beats, Rhymes + Classroom Life: Hip-Hop Pedagogy + The Politics of Identity, by Marc Lamont Hill (New York: Teachers College, 2009.)

For years now, scholars have tried to grasp and utilize the various tools of hip-hop to stimulate and educate American school students (perhaps especially urban youth) with various measures of success or failure, depending, of course, on who does the measuring.

Some have done so from a position of presumed superiority, looking down on this late 20th century art form much as a biologist peers through lens at a microscopic germ. Some have unjustly painted hip-hop as a symptom of a rebellion that has rarely flashed elsewhere.

Marc Lamont Hill, a professor of education and anthropology at Teachers College, Columbia University, has produced something between these two poles, for, as a relatively young scholar, one raised in the temporal and spatial era of hip-hop culture, he sees it neither with the derision born of age, nor the projection born of hope.

It is as real, and as present as the weather, and as such, it influences and informs those under its syncopated spell, with fascinating effect and impact.

Dr. Hill spent several months in a sweltering South Philadelphia classroom, and instead of blasting CDs, he and a colleague presented their classes with printed lyrics of prominent hip-hop artists, and using discussion and journaling, sought to plumb young minds not merely about the devices and parts of speech utilized in the works, but also about the meanings and messages embedded in the music, and how (or if) the themes presented in the music had relevance to their lives.

What followed were discussions of rare and revealing frankness from students who are not usually asked nor allowed to speak of issues of race, class and culture.

Although open to all students, the majority of sign-ups in Hip-Hop were Black, but whites, Latinos and Asians attended.

In one telling chapter, Hill noted the comments of four white students regarding their views on hip-hop. Despite being fans of the genre, they expressed a discrete racial identity that separated them from many of their classmates and the music:

Lisa: I mean, I love hip-hop and everything. I always did. But I'm still a white girl, you know? Like, the same way that a Black person would love opera but it's still white, a white person could love hip-hop but it's still Black. In here, I'm still white.

Maggie: Right. I mean, I love hip-hop but I can't be hip-hop so I just play my position in here.

Joe: I disagree. I am hip-hop, just like Black people. But I still play my position. It's still certain ways that I'm not in.

Kristen: Exactly. [Hill, Beats....59]

Hill found their insights both complex and contradictory, yet it gave insightful glimpses at the formation of current youth identity (often at variance with one’s parents) and racial identity. Clear from their comments is a sense of racial identity, which made them see themselves as outsiders from a culture that they all confessed to loving — if only from a certain distance.

Hill has his pulse on a vital node of American, African-American, urban, musical and youth culture at the dawn of this new century.

–(c) ‘09 Mumia Abu-Jamal

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23 Comments

1. Ann wrote:

I read Marc’s book….really enjoyed it.

Much like MAJ, I was intrigued and fascinated by the candid comments the students made about hip hop and how it fit into their lives. Its hard to discuss race and politics sometimes in what the old folks call “mixed company”. I think Marc did a good job of presenting the information in the book.

May 13, 2009 @ 11:14 am

2. james wrote:

while i understand what these teenagers are talking about regarding their identities through musical genres, is it really that significant? mumia, in his review, says it’s “telling,” but what is it telling me?

what does that mean, “play my position?”

May 13, 2009 @ 12:12 pm

3. Marc Lamont Hill wrote:

i think it’s pretty significant, james. it’s about how racial identities and imagined, performed, and negotiated in a variety of spaces. was this unclear in the book? have you read it?

May 13, 2009 @ 12:21 pm

4. ms. chong aka wyltk? wrote:

i too have read Dr. Hill’s book…and was genuinely impressed by his interpretations of hip-hop pedagogy.

i’ve been meaning to get around to giving my review…and i guess now is a perfect time…

growing up in the philadelphia school system has been an awful experience for me. i was disgusted with the institution and the teachers’ lack-luster approach to educating the youth. So as you can imagine i rebelled against it early. i truly identified with the kids that Dr. Hill has mentioned in the book and quite frankly was kind of envious of them. For the Doc to use hip-hop as a way for kids to break barriers of identity, politics, and basically the world around them, i thought was brilliant. The methods of teaching that he uses in the book were intriguing and insightful. It made me wish i had an opportunity to be in one of the classes. I’m a natural learner, but school just did not interest me at all. the methods that were used at the time were dated and just did not apply to me. i think the Philadelphia school system or any for that matter would benefit tremendously from a hip-hop lit class…Doc maybe you should try to do something about that…

i’m no teacher, but i think this approach(hip-hop lit) would help unify the races and classes of people…
i know my review is pretty vague, that said, get your own damn copy and tell me what YOU think…lol

kudos to you Doc, for a simple yet insightful and sweet interpretation of HHBE.

May 13, 2009 @ 12:23 pm

5. james wrote:

marc, no i haven’t read your book, and, honestly, i have no intention of reading it, despite the good review from mumia. i didn’t understand the rest of your comment.

May 13, 2009 @ 12:36 pm

6. Marc Lamont Hill wrote:

that’s fine james. i was just trying to understand whether you were saying that the book was unclear, or mumia’s review. that said, my point was that notions of “cultural relevance” in curriculum need to be more complex and nuanced. for example, a hip-hop based classroom needs to take into account the ways that youth understand and engage hip-hop culture, and how these connections shape the types of identities that enter the classroom. often we’ve thought about this for black students but, as mumia points out, it’s much more complex than that. i would explain further but, you can always read the book :-)

May 13, 2009 @ 12:48 pm

7. james wrote:

marc, i think i get what you’re saying. i’d be interested, very briefly, in your thoughts about “lisa’s” comments in the mumia review. what was the question she was answering? and if she liked jazz and blues, do you think lisa would answer the same way?

also, would a teacher base a entire classroom upon hip-hop? are you talking about one particular assignment or class, or an entire curriculum?

May 13, 2009 @ 1:09 pm

8. DCI74 wrote:

I haven’t read the book yet but a few of my colleagues have and were impressed with it very much. What you do Marc in this book is similar to some of the work I have done with youth regarding hip hop education and breaking down lyrics in an effort to make them more interested in not only literacy but critical thinking so I definitely applaud the approach Doc because I’ve seen it work firsthand. I am looking forward to reading the book. As an anthropology educator it’s always exciting to see the various ways in which the field can manifest itself effectively in so many areas.

May 13, 2009 @ 1:15 pm

9. Logic wrote:

Doc,
My wife uses hip-hop to engage students in her classroom. While it is effective in getting the students to participate, i fear that we might be doing them a disservice. Why do our kids need to have hip-hop centric curriculum to succeed? Does it put them at a disadvantage at the next level, where no one will be using hip-hop to teach?

May 13, 2009 @ 2:26 pm

10. ms. chong aka wyltk? wrote:

Logic, i don’t think hip-hop lit would be doing a disservice. for one i think it’s for ALL kids not just “our” kids…if you were using that in reference to blk children…

i think HHBE is an excellent way to bridge the gaps between races, classes, and generations. Hip-Hop music is a part everyone’s lives, not just black people. It’s the only form of music that has crossed-over to every culture. which makes hip-hop not just a thing for blacks, but a culture for everyone. it’s the common denominator. from what i’ve read in the doc’s book, the hip-hop lit class allowed the kids to think more critically about their identities and that of others. it also encouraged them to engage in dialog on issues that were not being discussed in other classes, but still applied to their day to day lives.

Hip-Hop Lit is just one class of many, so i don’t think that would put them at a disadvantage of succeeding. i actually think it would enrich their lives and make them THINK more critically in their other classes. hip-hop music covers almost every issue that’s going on right now, from sexual to political. it’s not like the youth are a dumb sack of bricks and are unable to learn. anything that encourages critical thinking and dialog, i think, would be a benefit. when u have dated material being taught, the kids can quickly lose interest, which have been my experience in school. and once you’ve lost the interest of the child, learning and teaching will be a lot more difficult. times have changed and certain curriculum should too. i mean, if we can teach the writings of Shakespeare, why can’t we teach the writings of let’s say Lauryn Hill? is she not a noted author as well? and while i love romeo and juliet, i don’t know too many people my age or younger who’s so in love that they’re going to drink poison and stab themselves in the chest to be happy and dead together, but i know many that could relate to Hill’s “ex-factor”. Hip-Hop Lit i think, is a creative way to blend the old with the new and vise versa. i like the idea, that said, i wish i had some hip-hop lit in punk ass Overbrook, i would have done a lot less cutting, i’ll tell you that! lol

May 13, 2009 @ 4:20 pm

11. DCI74 wrote:

Engaging young people through hip hop literacy is just one approach that anyone who works in education or youth development can chose to use or not use. My “virtual educators toolkit” is full of all kinds of theories and various methods of effectively working with teens and personally I am always open to new methods if I know for sure they can work and are relevant to my kids. I think relevance is the key, no matter what approach to learning is used it has to be something that connects with kids otherwise they will tune you out. But on the other hand kids aren’t stupid so they can easily tell if they are being instructed by a fraud who is just using hip hop to get their attention but is completely lacking substance and some sense of direction.

May 13, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

12. Tom Penn wrote:

Dr. Hill’s euphoria over a review of his book by a convicted murderer is simply pathetic. For that reason alone, I will not by this book; I’ll save my money for Dr. Michael Eric Dyson’s new text which comes out next week.

Using Hip Hop music in the classroom as a way for students to culturally connect is nothing revolutionary. I’m sure many High Schools, Colleges and Universities over the past generations have used the music of Muddy Waters, Howlin’ Wolf, Robert Johnson, Bessie Smith, Billie Holiday and others to educate students not only about their revolutionary musical inventiveness, but the genius of the lyrics in many of these artists’ songs which used coded language which not only provided a linguistical educational lesson, but a study in Cultural Anthropology as well.

While you’re at it Dr. Hill, may I suggest you send a copy of your new tome to Philip H. Markoff. He is the former Boston University Med student accused of murdering and robbing women off of Craig’s List. It would be interesting to get the view of Hip Hop from a 22 year old white murderer as well.

I can only imagine who you are gonna ask to review your forth coming book on snitchin’ … prolly Lil’ Kim … the Queen of perjurious testimony.

May 13, 2009 @ 6:33 pm

13. DCI74 wrote:

Damn Tom you sound bent in half. What does Mumia’s conviction have to do with his opinion on Marc’s book? What does one have to do with the other? I mean we all get your feelings about Mumia, it seems you can’t resist throwing a barb every chance you get but whatever. I’m not sure if your statement about hip hop in a classroom setting not being revolutionary was as attempt to discredit the nature of the book every thing you described about the usage of those other artists and music is exactly how hip hop has been used. For example, Hip Hop Association’s H2Ed Education Initiative has been around for a while now and has consistently included in their programs and curriculum all that you mentioned and much much more.

May 13, 2009 @ 7:50 pm

14. Marc Lamont Hill wrote:

Tom

That’s what happens when people make commentary about things they haven’t read. If you took the time to read the book, or even the back of the book, you’d know that the book isn’t about teaching hip-hop in schools, a practice which I never claimed to be new or revolutionary. Instead, it’s an ethnographic analysis of knowledge, power, and renegotiated identity in a hip-hop educational context. To my knowledge, and please correct me if I’m wrong, there is no such work to date that does this. As far as Mumia goes, I don’t think I said anything that suggested that I was “euphoric” about the review. I am, however, grateful that he took the time to give it a careful read, which is more than you’re doing before disparaging the work. (How anti-intellectual is that?) Furthermore, as I’ve said millions of times before, I believe that Mumia as innocent. As such, to imply that I had a cop-killer review my book is, as always, a dishonest move on your part.

May 13, 2009 @ 10:38 pm

15. Logic wrote:

I haven’t read the book yet, though I plan to, but on the topic of hip-hop in the classroom, I am still concerned. True Ms. Chong, it can expose the kids to critical thinking skills and public dialogue, but what happens when you take the hip-hop element out of the equation. Our kids need to learn how to analyze works that they might not be interested in, especially is they plan on navigating the world outside of the “hood”. Do you agree?

May 14, 2009 @ 10:27 am

16. james wrote:

“Instead, it’s an ethnographic analysis of knowledge, power, and renegotiated identity in a hip-hop educational context.”

marc, perhaps you could elaborate a little on this tagline. you do realize that most in your audience are probably not educational academics.

May 14, 2009 @ 10:37 am

17. ms. chong aka wyltk? wrote:

Logic,

I absolutely agree, and that’s where reading the book comes in to play. i think the curriculum that Dr. Hill had put together was designed to help them do just that. i think you may just be focusing on the class being *taught hip-hop as oppose to them learning through a hip-hop based context.

although i was not interested in school, i got through it. and the only reason why i wasn’t interested was, because i didn’t feel challenged. i could literally cut class for a week ,come back the following week, take an exam, and get a 95 on it.

you make it seem as if kids are dumb, i’m not trying to offend you, but that’s the vibe i get.
once you’ve exposed a child to thinking critically, do you not believe they will apply that in everything they do? i think so. and finally, like i’ve stated before, hip-hop lit is just 1class of many, and yes, unfortunately we’re going to have a class that we’re just not that into. it doesn’t matter who you are. i’m pretty sure bill gates may have had no interest in home ec or PE.

Hip-hop lit would be a class that would be added to the roster, just like science, math, and english are added. i don’t think taking a hip-hop lit class would ruin all hope for tomorrow. i think it would actually help the situation.

and i’m still secretly hating on the fact that i didn’t have that class offered to me while i was in HS. lol

May 14, 2009 @ 11:18 am

18. Logic wrote:

“you make it seem as if kids are dumb, i’m not trying to offend you, but that’s the vibe i get.”

I don’t believe that at all. I know that our kids can compete with any and all kids-I am one of those kids. However, I’m not sure about the whole creating classes around hip-hop ideology, mainly because it acts as a crutch. If the only time our kids are motivated to learn is when hip-hop is added, then we are lost.

As I said earlier, my wife uses hiphop in the classroom, and the kids respond enthusiastically. But when she switches to Othello (which is part of the Language Arts Canon) they shut down. So how can they be expected to achieve on the next level (which should be their goal) when they can’t “get into” literary works that don’t contain hip-hop?

Instead the focus should be on motivating kids to learn, period. This involves inspiring them through nurturing relationships and empathetic dialogue with their teachers. Again, I haven’t read the book yet, so I may be off base.

May 14, 2009 @ 2:36 pm

19. DCI74 wrote:

Just finished the book Marc, very good man very good.

May 14, 2009 @ 2:47 pm

20. John Waszewski wrote:

Hey that’s great news! Maybe he can take it to hell when they reinstate the death penalty and kill his worthless white hating behind. Way to go marc AKA the white Allen Combs.

May 14, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

21. Clif Soulo wrote:

This book is now on my “to buy” list.

May 15, 2009 @ 2:25 pm

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