Comments on: The Corner of Cross and Damon http://www.marclamonthill.com/the-corner-of-cross-and-damon-19-5408 Welcome to the Barbershop Notebooks Blog!!! Wed, 07 Dec 2011 21:11:50 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Gregory Salomon http://www.marclamonthill.com/the-corner-of-cross-and-damon-19-5408/comment-page-1#comment-839113 Gregory Salomon Fri, 30 May 2008 00:36:29 +0000 http://www.marclamonthill.com/mlhblog/?p=5408#comment-839113 Matt, Good Article. You made a comment that I didnt agree with. I was not thought to be fearful of any man: black, white, brown etc. I think one of the main racial problems between blacks and whites in this country is that the mainstream wants people of color to forget that this country was built on the free labor of people of color. The Jewish people received the proper attributes for the their plight during Hitler's rule whoever the blacks of this country must suffer being indirectly and directly treated as second class citizens by a system that was founded by individuals who viewed blacks as property and considered less than a quarter of a human being. Every 50 years the rights to vote of people of color has to be extended why is that how come the rights of blacks to vote has not become a permanent amendment to the constituion. Matt, the real issue is with-in the black community. We cannot get right with any other race until we as black people can pass the centuries of brainwashing that has kept blacks apart. My brothers and sisters were at their best when the struggle was clear and present. We have forgotten that because we have progressed that we need to still keep fighting and demanding better. We cannot do as individuals we need to do as a collective unit. GS Matt,
Good Article. You made a comment that I didnt agree with. I was not thought to be fearful of any man: black, white, brown etc. I think one of the main racial problems between blacks and whites in this country is that the mainstream wants people of color to forget that this country was built on the free labor of people of color. The Jewish people received the proper attributes for the their plight during Hitler’s rule whoever the blacks of this country must suffer being indirectly and directly treated as second class citizens by a system that was founded by individuals who viewed blacks as property and considered less than a quarter of a human being. Every 50 years the rights to vote of people of color has to be extended why is that how come the rights of blacks to vote has not become a permanent amendment to the constituion. Matt, the real issue is with-in the black community. We cannot get right with any other race until we as black people can pass the centuries of brainwashing that has kept blacks apart. My brothers and sisters were at their best when the struggle was clear and present. We have forgotten that because we have progressed that we need to still keep fighting and demanding better. We cannot do as individuals we need to do as a collective unit.

GS

]]> By: DCI74 http://www.marclamonthill.com/the-corner-of-cross-and-damon-19-5408/comment-page-1#comment-839028 DCI74 Thu, 29 May 2008 01:35:46 +0000 http://www.marclamonthill.com/mlhblog/?p=5408#comment-839028 Yes Matt there was and still is a brutality issue when it comes to police that work in the main urban cities in Connecticut (New Haven, Bridgeport and the capital city Hartford). Beyond that CT has had its fair share of police misconduct by state troopers and significant racial tensions in the state police ranks with very overt forms of racism via insensitive emails disguised as jokes, nooses, etc. Some troopers have been fired or have quit and numerous lawsuits are pending. So few talk about how these racial problems eventually impact the way troopers deal with motorists who share the same ethnicity as the targets of the racists jokes and attacks. The insane irony in all of this is the current recruitment efforts to get more troopers and cops of color on the force. Yes Matt there was and still is a brutality issue when it comes to police that work in the main urban cities in Connecticut (New Haven, Bridgeport and the capital city Hartford).

Beyond that CT has had its fair share of police misconduct by state troopers and significant racial tensions in the state police ranks with very overt forms of racism via insensitive emails disguised as jokes, nooses, etc. Some troopers have been fired or have quit and numerous lawsuits are pending. So few talk about how these racial problems eventually impact the way troopers deal with motorists who share the same ethnicity as the targets of the racists jokes and attacks. The insane irony in all of this is the current recruitment efforts to get more troopers and cops of color on the force.

]]> By: matt http://www.marclamonthill.com/the-corner-of-cross-and-damon-19-5408/comment-page-1#comment-839009 matt Wed, 28 May 2008 21:59:10 +0000 http://www.marclamonthill.com/mlhblog/?p=5408#comment-839009 Thanks for sharing DC. I really like the way you've framed the relationships around communities and police. Before beginning the dialogue, was there a problem with brutality? Clif, thanks for responding. Thank you for also framing the problem as one about the relationship between police and the community. I think that framing it that way gives us a more productive way to think about the problem than just saying 'the police' are the problem. Thanks for sharing DC. I really like the way you’ve framed the relationships around communities and police. Before beginning the dialogue, was there a problem with brutality?

Clif, thanks for responding. Thank you for also framing the problem as one about the relationship between police and the community. I think that framing it that way gives us a more productive way to think about the problem than just saying ‘the police’ are the problem.

]]> By: Clifton Harrison http://www.marclamonthill.com/the-corner-of-cross-and-damon-19-5408/comment-page-1#comment-839007 Clifton Harrison Wed, 28 May 2008 21:12:23 +0000 http://www.marclamonthill.com/mlhblog/?p=5408#comment-839007 Miss Martin, Fuck the Police is an understandable expression, but what do you mean? fuck every police officer and official in America? By all means, FUCK the Justice system as it stands now, and Fuck corrupt, dishonest, evil police...but not every police officer is doing wrong... Miss Martin,

Fuck the Police is an understandable expression, but what do you mean? fuck every police officer and official in America? By all means, FUCK the Justice system as it stands now, and Fuck corrupt, dishonest, evil police…but not every police officer is doing wrong…

]]> By: Clifton Harrison http://www.marclamonthill.com/the-corner-of-cross-and-damon-19-5408/comment-page-1#comment-839006 Clifton Harrison Wed, 28 May 2008 21:10:26 +0000 http://www.marclamonthill.com/mlhblog/?p=5408#comment-839006 unfortunately, no Matt i haven't. I truly believe in the saying "it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better" applies to America (in so many ways, but specifically with race). As it pertains to Police-community relations, I am very fearful of what might happen if we continue down this path. The movie "City of God" has a very extreme (but in my opinion quite possible) outcome for the urban communities in America if the fearful Police continue abusing and killing the the poor, oppressed, "frightening" people. unfortunately, no Matt i haven’t.

I truly believe in the saying “it’s going to get a lot worse before it gets better” applies to America (in so many ways, but specifically with race). As it pertains to Police-community relations, I am very fearful of what might happen if we continue down this path. The movie “City of God” has a very extreme (but in my opinion quite possible) outcome for the urban communities in America if the fearful Police continue abusing and killing the the poor, oppressed, “frightening” people.

]]> By: Miss Martin http://www.marclamonthill.com/the-corner-of-cross-and-damon-19-5408/comment-page-1#comment-838998 Miss Martin Wed, 28 May 2008 20:25:00 +0000 http://www.marclamonthill.com/mlhblog/?p=5408#comment-838998 fuck da police fuck da police

]]> By: DCI74 http://www.marclamonthill.com/the-corner-of-cross-and-damon-19-5408/comment-page-1#comment-838989 DCI74 Wed, 28 May 2008 19:16:30 +0000 http://www.marclamonthill.com/mlhblog/?p=5408#comment-838989 Good article Matt. About 2 years ago I was apart of a cross-race discussion on policing in the town where I used to live. The need for the discussion was raised do to an increase in new police officers that didn't live in the city. It should be noted that these officers were black, brown, and white and the crux of the problem had less to do with their race and more to do with the fact that these cops knew nothing about the residents or the city they were hired to work in daily. These discussions went on over a period of months and while many were quite heated some progress was made. Many of these new officers along with city residents helped re-launched the city's Police Athletic League which allowed the cops a vehicle to better connect with the city residents and vice versa. However even after these and other efforts were launched anxiety was quelled only for a brief time. Good article Matt. About 2 years ago I was apart of a cross-race discussion on policing in the town where I used to live. The need for the discussion was raised do to an increase in new police officers that didn’t live in the city. It should be noted that these officers were black, brown, and white and the crux of the problem had less to do with their race and more to do with the fact that these cops knew nothing about the residents or the city they were hired to work in daily.

These discussions went on over a period of months and while many were quite heated some progress was made. Many of these new officers along with city residents helped re-launched the city’s Police Athletic League which allowed the cops a vehicle to better connect with the city residents and vice versa. However even after these and other efforts were launched anxiety was quelled only for a brief time.

]]> By: matt http://www.marclamonthill.com/the-corner-of-cross-and-damon-19-5408/comment-page-1#comment-838980 matt Wed, 28 May 2008 18:30:52 +0000 http://www.marclamonthill.com/mlhblog/?p=5408#comment-838980 Thanks for reading Cliff. I think you make a very important point. Have you ever been a part of or seen any cross-race discussions on policing? If so, I'd love to hear about how they were structured and how they went. Thanks for your comments. Thanks for reading Cliff. I think you make a very important point. Have you ever been a part of or seen any cross-race discussions on policing? If so, I’d love to hear about how they were structured and how they went. Thanks for your comments.

]]> By: Clifton Harrison http://www.marclamonthill.com/the-corner-of-cross-and-damon-19-5408/comment-page-1#comment-838970 Clifton Harrison Wed, 28 May 2008 17:18:24 +0000 http://www.marclamonthill.com/mlhblog/?p=5408#comment-838970 Exactly. How can someone do their job (correctly) if they are constantly in fear? I think one fundamental change we can make is to one expand the problem outside of just white and black. This problem extends to all different ethnicities. And that's not to say that the racial issues between black and white people aren't important, but being more broad on the race problem might allow people to be more understanding and take away that defensiveness both white and black people in America can have when talking about racial issues. Clif Exactly. How can someone do their job (correctly) if they are constantly in fear?

I think one fundamental change we can make is to one expand the problem outside of just white and black. This problem extends to all different ethnicities. And that’s not to say that the racial issues between black and white people aren’t important, but being more broad on the race problem might allow people to be more understanding and take away that defensiveness both white and black people in America can have when talking about racial issues.

Clif

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