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		<title>By: *M*</title>
		<link>http://www.marclamonthill.com/the-corner-of-cross-and-damon-23-5522/comment-page-1#comment-841463</link>
		<dc:creator>*M*</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh so it also the progressive rappers that have issues with women. Excuse me while I go back to my Oasis collection. 

&quot;Your point that sexism is not important enough to organize around speaks to the reality that we don’t take sexism seriously as an issue.&quot;
Great words Matt. Great words. 

17.7 million American women are rape survivors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh so it also the progressive rappers that have issues with women. Excuse me while I go back to my Oasis collection. </p>
<p>&#8220;Your point that sexism is not important enough to organize around speaks to the reality that we don’t take sexism seriously as an issue.&#8221;<br />
Great words Matt. Great words. </p>
<p>17.7 million American women are rape survivors.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://www.marclamonthill.com/the-corner-of-cross-and-damon-23-5522/comment-page-1#comment-841424</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>matt, i certainly do take sexism seriously as an issue (i have a wife and a daughter, and i am probably sexist to some degree); but i&#039;ve also come to understand that most art is meant to be viewed through cautionary glasses, and that the only way to understand most messages is through education and personal development, not by collectively organizing boycotts against the purchase of offensive materials, which would eventually mean eliminating a whole lot of great art all the way back to the greeks. 

art is not the same as bad tuna fish practices that harm the environment and ecosystem. you cannot treat art as a corporate commodity. not paying for it will not eliminate its presence. most art is bad and already barely profitable. any rapper worth his/her salt is not going to be influenced by any kind of boycott. if anything, a boycott would probably increase the boycotted artist&#039;s visibility.  

what you need to do, if you truly want to make a tolerable difference is to continue offering your educated opinion on why you think something is sexist, and then to not attend shows or purchase items that you think might possibly be offensive. 

you should not try to shortcut the cultural education and personal development of others via collective consumer actions.   

incidentally, why are you singling out the sexism in rap? surely, rap does not have a corner on the sexist market. 

and then, after you&#039;ve successfully eliminated sexism, what other topics are you hoping to stigmatize and make taboo? references to drugs, alcohol, guns, violence, name-calling in general, or simply any song that isn&#039;t very nice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>matt, i certainly do take sexism seriously as an issue (i have a wife and a daughter, and i am probably sexist to some degree); but i&#8217;ve also come to understand that most art is meant to be viewed through cautionary glasses, and that the only way to understand most messages is through education and personal development, not by collectively organizing boycotts against the purchase of offensive materials, which would eventually mean eliminating a whole lot of great art all the way back to the greeks. </p>
<p>art is not the same as bad tuna fish practices that harm the environment and ecosystem. you cannot treat art as a corporate commodity. not paying for it will not eliminate its presence. most art is bad and already barely profitable. any rapper worth his/her salt is not going to be influenced by any kind of boycott. if anything, a boycott would probably increase the boycotted artist&#8217;s visibility.  </p>
<p>what you need to do, if you truly want to make a tolerable difference is to continue offering your educated opinion on why you think something is sexist, and then to not attend shows or purchase items that you think might possibly be offensive. </p>
<p>you should not try to shortcut the cultural education and personal development of others via collective consumer actions.   </p>
<p>incidentally, why are you singling out the sexism in rap? surely, rap does not have a corner on the sexist market. </p>
<p>and then, after you&#8217;ve successfully eliminated sexism, what other topics are you hoping to stigmatize and make taboo? references to drugs, alcohol, guns, violence, name-calling in general, or simply any song that isn&#8217;t very nice?</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James i&#039;ve never discussed the need to dilute art.  I&#039;m interested in seeing people care enough about eliminating sexism that we cease to buy sexist material.  Keep making it, lets just not buy it.  Power has to be used by consumers.    

Your position on niche markets contradicts your earlier statement on niche markets.  If it could be organized around more than sexism, would consumers then have collective power?

Your point that sexism is not important enough to organize around speaks to the reality that we don&#039;t take sexism seriously as an issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James i&#8217;ve never discussed the need to dilute art.  I&#8217;m interested in seeing people care enough about eliminating sexism that we cease to buy sexist material.  Keep making it, lets just not buy it.  Power has to be used by consumers.    </p>
<p>Your position on niche markets contradicts your earlier statement on niche markets.  If it could be organized around more than sexism, would consumers then have collective power?</p>
<p>Your point that sexism is not important enough to organize around speaks to the reality that we don&#8217;t take sexism seriously as an issue.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, matt, very subtle differences aimed at a very similar outcome: diluting art that you deem menacing to society.  

as for the niche market, there is way too much choice and disposable income spent on arts and entertainment of every ilk from all kinds of consumers from all over the world to gather enough attention to influence consumers on a large enough basis for an effective boycott based solely on charges of sexism.

the charge of sexism, while it&#039;s an undeniably important subject in the realm of arts and entertainment, asking people not to support their favorite artists or programs, because of questionable characters or lyrics, goes too far and would only serve to bury the undesirable trait in a very shallow and temporary grave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, matt, very subtle differences aimed at a very similar outcome: diluting art that you deem menacing to society.  </p>
<p>as for the niche market, there is way too much choice and disposable income spent on arts and entertainment of every ilk from all kinds of consumers from all over the world to gather enough attention to influence consumers on a large enough basis for an effective boycott based solely on charges of sexism.</p>
<p>the charge of sexism, while it&#8217;s an undeniably important subject in the realm of arts and entertainment, asking people not to support their favorite artists or programs, because of questionable characters or lyrics, goes too far and would only serve to bury the undesirable trait in a very shallow and temporary grave.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, putting pressure on artists to produce a certain kind of entertainment is very different from collectively deciding to not purchase something.  

How does our existence as niche market consumers limit our collective power as consumers/citizens?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, putting pressure on artists to produce a certain kind of entertainment is very different from collectively deciding to not purchase something.  </p>
<p>How does our existence as niche market consumers limit our collective power as consumers/citizens?</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>matt, to my mind, organized pressure by consumers on certain artists to produce materials for the &quot;betterment of society&quot; would amount, ethically speaking, at the very least, to an infringement on free speech; at worst, it approaches a lighter brand of fascism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>matt, to my mind, organized pressure by consumers on certain artists to produce materials for the &#8220;betterment of society&#8221; would amount, ethically speaking, at the very least, to an infringement on free speech; at worst, it approaches a lighter brand of fascism.</p>
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		<title>By: m.dot</title>
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		<dc:creator>m.dot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Senor Matt, you have the &quot;rappers ain&#039;t sexist&quot; and I have the &quot;rappers don&#039;t raise kids, mommas do&quot;.

What in the sam hell is going on?

I swear, that &quot;Is Hip Hop Your Daddy&quot; post is about to crawl out of me onto the page whether I want to write it or not.

I hate that about writing. Its like love. There, whether you
want it to be or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senor Matt, you have the &#8220;rappers ain&#8217;t sexist&#8221; and I have the &#8220;rappers don&#8217;t raise kids, mommas do&#8221;.</p>
<p>What in the sam hell is going on?</p>
<p>I swear, that &#8220;Is Hip Hop Your Daddy&#8221; post is about to crawl out of me onto the page whether I want to write it or not.</p>
<p>I hate that about writing. Its like love. There, whether you<br />
want it to be or not.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,
All those important questions you raise should be handled collectively.  If people collectively decide not to buy a sexist product there is no material incentive to produce it.

However, I&#039;m assuming you won&#039;t buy that because you&#039;ve said that consumers have no collective power because we live in an era of niche markets.  

However, because you&#039;ve not answered my question about your position (comment 20), there is not much more I can do in terms of discussing where we differ and/or agree.    

Additionally, can you explain where I presented a position in favor of censorship, please?  I&#039;m confused about where you gained evidence for the idea that I support cesorship.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,<br />
All those important questions you raise should be handled collectively.  If people collectively decide not to buy a sexist product there is no material incentive to produce it.</p>
<p>However, I&#8217;m assuming you won&#8217;t buy that because you&#8217;ve said that consumers have no collective power because we live in an era of niche markets.  </p>
<p>However, because you&#8217;ve not answered my question about your position (comment 20), there is not much more I can do in terms of discussing where we differ and/or agree.    </p>
<p>Additionally, can you explain where I presented a position in favor of censorship, please?  I&#8217;m confused about where you gained evidence for the idea that I support cesorship.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how would you decide which art is making a positive contribution, matt? by your standards? how are you going to decide which endeavors to boycott? who is going to listen to you? and then, even if you had some listeners, isn&#039;t there going be some sort blowback from the other side? your notion of consumer censorship is unachievable in a society that believes in free speech, has so much income, and can purchase any kind of entertainment at the push of a button.   

in the context of jeru&#039;s song, i would say his condemnation surrounds women in particular. but look, even if i can agree that this song is sexist, so what? without censorship--formal or self--there are no incentives for artists not to produce whatever they want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how would you decide which art is making a positive contribution, matt? by your standards? how are you going to decide which endeavors to boycott? who is going to listen to you? and then, even if you had some listeners, isn&#8217;t there going be some sort blowback from the other side? your notion of consumer censorship is unachievable in a society that believes in free speech, has so much income, and can purchase any kind of entertainment at the push of a button.   </p>
<p>in the context of jeru&#8217;s song, i would say his condemnation surrounds women in particular. but look, even if i can agree that this song is sexist, so what? without censorship&#8211;formal or self&#8211;there are no incentives for artists not to produce whatever they want.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey James,
Thats a good question.  In your eyes, is the condemnation of shallow materialism a condemnation of all shallow materialism? Or, is Jeru&#039;s condemnation of shallow materialism associated with women in particular?

Can you explain how our existence as niche market consumers limits our collective power as consumers/citizens, please?  I don&#039;t see the connection.

In regards to the Sopranos, no.  I don&#039;t think Jeru the Dmaja should be cleaned up before he reaches consumer&#039;s either.  My whole point is that we as consumers need to assert our collective power to make the production of products that do not contribute positevely to the whole betterment of society unprofitable to produce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey James,<br />
Thats a good question.  In your eyes, is the condemnation of shallow materialism a condemnation of all shallow materialism? Or, is Jeru&#8217;s condemnation of shallow materialism associated with women in particular?</p>
<p>Can you explain how our existence as niche market consumers limits our collective power as consumers/citizens, please?  I don&#8217;t see the connection.</p>
<p>In regards to the Sopranos, no.  I don&#8217;t think Jeru the Dmaja should be cleaned up before he reaches consumer&#8217;s either.  My whole point is that we as consumers need to assert our collective power to make the production of products that do not contribute positevely to the whole betterment of society unprofitable to produce.</p>
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