1. Garrett wrote:

Please use the word “nigger” in a positve way:

“Dang, that interview was great, nigger.”

That wasn’t pathological or negative, was it?

2. Mel wrote:

I also couldn’t believe that Sheri and Whoopi was on live television defending this word. They made most of us look stupid. Well anyway, this is a never ending discussion.

3. Clifton Harrison wrote:

Can someone first please explain why people are upset/enraged/angered when people use the word nigga/nigger (whether they mean something different is an whole other debate), but why are people upset at the actual use of the word and not the way we are still treated? What changes by taking the word away do if we are still being treated like niggers?

4. Clifton Harrison wrote:

and i don’t agree with the ideology that only black people can use the word. Anyone can use it, but understand the consequences that may follow from your actions. And that’s not a threat, but that’s reality.

And you can’t tell me what a word i’m using means to me! how are you gonna tell me that when i’m speaking to a friend of mine, it’s not possible for me to use it in an endearing way. For anybody to tell me that, i say fuck you! straight up. You can tell me that you find that word offensive, and i won’t say it when your around.

5. Miss Martin wrote:

THANK YOU CLIFTON! white people been using it, don’t stop now yall!

6. Jameela wrote:

ROTFLOL , Garret. That was funny.

Great job Marc, knowing your love of language this conversation is a piece of cake for you.

Mel, they did not make us look stupid, MANY black people feel the same way. What’s stupid is that we are so busy defending rights that we as black people have that we are missing the fact that we still are not equal. Did you feel that Hasslebeck’s “can’t we all just get along” rant equally as embarrassing to white women (or women who benefit from being percieved as white)?

My favorite scene in a movie was in “Deep Cover” :

white FBI agent: What is the difference between a black man and a nigger?
1st cop: (hesitates) no
FBI agent: Most niggers don’t
FBI agent: (same question to next cop)
2nd cop: (turns over agent’s desk)
FBI agent: (same question to next cop)
3rd Cop: (camly with assurance) The nigger is the one who would even ANSWER that question?

Why are we even arguing with the white supremacist power structure regarding what we chose to do with weapons used against us? I don’t agree with the use of the word nigger, but since I just got finished watching “Roots” I am not going to forget how the word came to be. Let’s stop playing games. People don’t give this much time to homosexuals calling each other dyke and fag because THEY don’t let you. Let’s stop letting them tell us what we can do or we will always be slaves.

7. Bitter Brother wrote:

Jehmu Greene was wrong on every point. She is simple and idiotic by all indications. Firstly, how did Jesse Jackson cheerlead the use of a word when he was unaware that the microphone was hot? Why shouldn’t there be a separate standard for Whites and Black? The corollary hate, lynching, and descrimination that accompanied the use of the word when Whites have used the word unabashedly and with impunity created the double standard. Why should a White person wanna use the word is my question. Let alone waste my tme engaging in a debate about why they feel it isn’t fair we get to use it.

Clif,
Here’s some better judgement. You can go against it if you wish, but you prepared for the outcome. Leave the word outta your mouth!

8. Clifton Harrison wrote:

Bitte Brother, i think that jehmu was wrong as well, (but was she referring to the women on the view for cheerleading the word or Jesse, I’m slightly confused).

and are you telling me to leave the word out of my mouth? (i’m black)

9. Samuel wrote:

I think Jehmu Greene used a lot of generalized ideas in regard to how we should use the term. Do we all really know the difference between right and wrong? Really? If so, we would not have/need this discussion. Many kids today use the term because they see others using it and don’t know any of the history behind it. And many won’t know that history until someone teaches it to them. This is a much more complex subject than just “eliminating the word from our vocabulary” or having a psychological funeral for the term and won’t be “resolved” by just some random discussion.

Marc hit it directly on the nail when he described the complexity of the usage of the term. It’s just as complex as calling a cop a “Pig”. Or calling a woman a “Bitch”. Or calling a Mexican a “Wetback”. All these terms have some sort of history in the many cultures in this country and the only way to to drive the kids in our community to be more positive and substitute these terms is through education.

As a parent I’ve taught my own daughter the value of many different terms that we use in our language. She understands that the term Nigger AND Nigga means “ignorant” no matter who uses it. If someone calls her anything with “nigg” as the prefix then she knows that that person is the ignorant one and not her. I’ve taught her the history behind it and my son will know the same. It all starts at home.

Garrett, the insulting demeanor behind your point was a negative tone which made it even more negative than the term itself. What many fail to realize is that the term is negative no matter how you use it? Saying it in a different context may make it “less negative” but it is still negative. When someone says “That’s my nigga right there”, they aren’t saying it with any negative historic background of hatred behind it but they’re also ignorant for saying it because they are still calling their friend “ignorant”. If someone walks up to you and says “Pick up my newspaper, nigger.”, that hatred pours out no matter who is using the term. If all blacks started calling all whites “niggers” this whole discussion would be flipped and probably mute because of the differences in power and money between the two races of people. This is why the term “Cracker” is not so strong to whites.

People are upset when the term is used because when the word is said by a certain group of people, a violent act occurs and they think it’s unfair. But what’s unfair is thinking that you could use any term around anyone and think it’s okay with everyone. Yeah, we have free speech, but we also have the freedom to choose our words wisely. Whites more than anyone currently should not use the term because of the historic culture shock that is behind the term created by their race of people. Those who do not understand that should be educated (with visuals) so that they can understand the harsh and enormous pain that was caused by not just the term but how those that were classified as “niggers” were treated. They didn’t just call our people Niggers, the term was subjected upon us as a classification of our people. If they still do no understand after that, then they are indeed ignorant.

I’m not defending the use of the terms nigger or nigga by our people or anyone, but I think we all should be more educated before the term should be used. If you see a kid on the street, show him a picture a of a lynched slave and let them know that the people around that slave are the niggers. Then let him know that this is what they’re calling their friends on a daily basis.

10. Clifton Harrison wrote:

Samuel, i agree with you for the most part. But i don’t feel i’m ignorant if me and my friend both have an understanding of the word, and it’s prior meaning (as well as how we mean it when we say it). But that is your opinion, and i respect it.

11. Samuel wrote:

Clifton, I understand where you are coming from. Let me also point out that I am not perfect either and I don’t feel like I’m any better than anyone else here. I have my group of friends that use the term on occasion as well. We’ve discussed not using it also but when we are chillin’ together the word slips out occasionally because like you said, Clifton, we have a common understanding of the term. But those are during our own moments together where we can “let down our hair down” so to speak. Not in the business world, or around our kids, or around anyone of any other cultures and others that may/will not understand that. Again, we have that the freedom to choose our words wisely.

Living in Arizona, I sometimes come across a Mexican/Hispanic that just happens to use the term in the “less negative” context, and then I question whether or not I should be offended by it. I also had another incident where a white guy (with head shaved) was calling his 2 white friends his “niggas”. My friend got offended instantly (nonviolently) and I was slightly offended but questioned it because of the context used. So there are some gray areas that continue to exist no matter what. The terms are definitely a part of our culture (ours much more than others) but we need to educate everyone if there is any push to reform any usage of the terms and not assume that everyone is privileged to automatically know right from wrong and the history behind them.

12. natural nubian wrote:

bottom line is no other minority group goes around and actually reaches to VALIDATE why they should continue to use the racist term that is intended to separate them from the majority as being less than equal and on a lower human level. i ain’t hurd no chinese callin’ each other “my chinc,” no mexicans sayin’ “my spic,” no jews saying “that’s my kike,” and sho ’nuff no middle eastern kinfolk calling each other “my sand nigga.” i mean not only can they not say it, but if anyone were to say these terms in public, folks would cut up!

so my brothers & sisters PU-LEEZE stop finding reasons for you to continue to have this word hold us back. b/c TRUST if all of us start to support to movement of no longer accepting this word as commmon vernacular, the usage of it would most certainly cease.

13. Clifton Harrison wrote:

Right, and i think that is the reason why Hip Hop gets attacked and the word is even a “problem” with mainstream society. Hip Hop was a conversation between our people, but now that it is one of the most popular forms of music, we “let our hair down” all over MTV/BET/VH1.

14. Bitter Brother wrote:

Clif,

I apologize. Im in agreement with you. I fucked up my nigga.

15. econwhat wrote:

during the hot-mic whispered tirade of Jesse Jackson, civil rights leader of America, he says…”tryna tell N—as how to act.”

So the so-called civil-rights ‘leader’ thinks his followers are ignorant! Very, very revealing…LOL In the daylight he denouces the word in front of cameras and flashing lights, but oh-ah in the darkness of his mind he thinks your ignorant and must for FREEDOM’s SAKE follow him.

F*** J****!

I shudder to think what he’s saying about you in MADRID, SPAIN!

16. Clifton Harrison wrote:

See, natural nubian, i don’t agree with that argument, because far too often WE focus our attention on shit that is trivial. Well not trivial, but in comparison to the unfair treatment of blacks, the word nigga shouldn’t be first on the list. The word is small in comparison to being treated as a Nigger (which is still just as prevelant today as it was in the 60’s, only the racism isn’t as overt now).

Secondly, mexican’s, jews, and any other groups of people don’t have the entire culture on display for all to critique, so you can’t truly make that statement (unless you have lived within all of the cultures).

Thirdly, (from my understanding) you are discrediting a culture, my culture, by not acknowledging that the word Nigga and Nigger mean different things. Until people can accept that for some people (usually the youth), the word Nigga does not hold the same power and disrespect that Nigger did/does hold for most (if not all) people. But until you accept that, then WE as a black community won’t be able to move forward (in regards to this debate/disagreement).

17. Logic wrote:

I use the word “nigga” from time to time (a lot less than I used to) but to suggest that we, blacks, can’t use it is absurd.

18. Samuel wrote:

“the word Nigga does not hold the same power and disrespect that Nigger did/does hold for most (if not all) people”

Some don’t agree with that statement or hold it as completely true. In your statement, it’s saying that the word is disrespectful but not as disrespectful as the stronger word so we use it because we are less disrespected by our own. That would be how my parents (Dad is 60 and Mom is 55) would take it if you were to say that to them. To them it would be like going from a dumb nigger to a smart nigger. Either way it goes, it’s still a nigger which in the end is still negative. This is why the spectrum is so far apart in understanding the usages and how something so harsh can be turned into something “positive”.

We also can’t say that other cultures don’t do the same if we aren’t living in other cultures. There might be a Chinese thug somewhere calling his friend “His Spic” right now with a problem for all we know. This word gets the most attention because white people (the majority) make it the attention. They made it the attention when they created it and it still remains the attention now because of the consequences when using it. They even described our people as Niggers in National print. Is there any other culture as hateful as they were in this country?

We also are discrediting the culture but the culture is also discrediting itself. We can’t be uplifted if we have so many uneducated “artists” in the entertainment industry who don’t take responsibility for their actions. Most lyrics in music aren’t about telling a story today. It’s all about making money just like the other money hungry cultures in our society. Most of the money in hip-hop is made from White teenagers. If you don’t believe me look online. And after listening to all the current hip-hop in the white neighborhoods, we expect them no to say the real lyrics? But our own people spread it like mayonnaise on their sammiches and then we complain when we hear them say it without providing them with knowledge of understanding the history behind it. We just expect their younger generation to know but their younger generations was taught the same racist guidelines their parents were taught. It’s a contradiction. We want them to embrace our culture but with limits. They want us to embrace their culture but become clones of them. This whole issue is just too complex for any of us to even handle or solve.

I was watching the ESPY’s last night and they gave the Arthur Ashe Award to U.S. Olympians Tommie Smith and John Carlos. To see the audience in such shock of the history they made and what they went through was amazing. But we still somehow expect every one to know these things. I bet half of you didn’t even know who they were until they showed them on the podiums with fists held high.

19. natural nubian wrote:

clif, you proved exactly what i mean by how african americans find reasons outta the wood-work to legitimize why the word should continue in the social realm. am i saying to censor what you say when you are in your comfortable PERSONAL environment, no. all i’m asking all of us to do though is to elevate our thinking. i ain’t lookin’ to my right or left to see what other minorities are doing, and i ain’t blaming hip hop. i’m holding accountable every individual who still thinks and rationalizes using the very same term that has caused years upon years of dehumanization to our OWN ancestors. i mean had it not been for my family lineage being broken up b/c of slave trade, i could figure out as far back who was beaten to their death while others sat and watched for entertainment. we ALL come from that and to say that it’s ok for me to in turn call my own reflection the SAME THING?!!?

and i’m sooooooo OVA the “-er vs -a” debate. bring me some meat ’cause that weak baby *ish don’t sit well with me. that’s the same argument folks use when validating why “hoe” is less than being a “whore.” IT’S THE SAME WORD!! i mean it’s go so far that we actually think by changing the word it really isn’t the same thing! is u serious!?!? c’mon man. i would tolerate anyone callin’ me a hoe or whore. i expect more and we should respect OURSELVES more.

20. Clifton Harrison wrote:

Well, i don’t want to drift too far off topic, but Hip Hop and rap on mtv are different things. I understand who’s buying the music.

Also, what i thought that i communicated was that “Nigga” holds a different meaning than “Nigger”, “Nigga” does not hold the disrespect and the historical abuse that “Nigger” does. Just so i’m clear.

But it only has attention because Hip Hop or black culture rather is popular culture in America. That is what is looked to by the youth (and what also shocks and alarms their parents).

I didn’t watch the espy’s, and i’m sure i wouldn’t have known who they were, but what does that have to do with anything?

and i don’t think it’s too complex for us to discuss and draw conclusions from (solve would mean their is a problem and i’m not sure what that is to call it a problem), but i think that it begins just as Marc said, not looking at things as right and wrong, because shit just ain’t simple like that.

21. Clifton Harrison wrote:

See, it’s people like Natural Nubian, who aren’t willing to accept a different opinion or view as valid, that are holding US as a community from working together to resolve are disagreements.

So when i’m met with resistance like that, and people are unwilling to accept my view or stance as valid and debate or exchange ideas and opinions..i say Fuck your perspective!!!

22. natural nubian wrote:

and in regards to some of the youth, they cuttin’ up ’cause the adults that should be showing them how to become ladies and gentlement are still youth themselves! you can’t have a 4th grader trying to teach the 8th grade. and anyone who has been in contact with a child, whether the kid is theirs or not, knows that children immitate what they see. if their own parent/guardian is carelessly using foul language, the likelihood of the child using the same language is very high.

alls i’m saying is if you don’t know your history you’re bound to repeat it. this modern-day mental slavery many african americans are struggling in bondage with today ain’t nothin’ to play with. and i’m not going to encourage the dehumanization of my brothers & sisters all ’cause when it ends with the -a instead of the -er, it means something different.

all i ask is anyone who does say it to ask themselves why they do. not why you think it’s ok to say it. but why do YOU personally say it out of your mouth.

23. natural nubian wrote:

wooooooow, i never said i didn’t respect or accept your POV clif. if i stepped on your toes, i usually do ’cause this argument can be resolved when folks who say it STOP saying it! the questions is, why is it ok to say the N-word?

is the history behind the word a black-n-white issue, no. but the fact that many who do say it, know the meaning behind it, but still validate its usage, is perplexing to me. i have plenty of friends who say it and we get in the same debates. i just challenge them (like i’m doing u) to find out why they even WANT to say the word.

24. Samuel wrote:

“Well, i don’t want to drift too far off topic, but Hip Hop and rap on mtv are different things. I understand who’s buying the music.”

“But it only has attention because Hip Hop or black culture rather is popular culture in America. That is what is looked to by the youth (and what also shocks and alarms their parents).”

I mentioned who’s buying the music to note what our own people have done with the term and what we expect from other cultures. It was basically to note the contradictions.

“Also, what i thought that i communicated was that “Nigga” holds a different meaning than “Nigger”, “Nigga” does not hold the disrespect and the historical abuse that “Nigger” does. Just so i’m clear.”

In the usage of the words, they have different meanings. I think we can all agree that the culture has adjusted the words’ meanings. The problems lies in how deep the negatives are in the root of the term Nigga. You can be clear about the definition but it’s not the same as using polar opposites like going from a Black Man to Black Monday. In the case Black means two different things but the term “black” did not oppress a culture (although to some it did) but the term nigger did and can’t be substitute in any other way. In many cases, Nigger and Nigga are too close in our history to be pulled apart and made positive. There is faith behind snatching terms from the oppressor and using them as a term of endearment to help your self and your people rise (as Whoopi noted. That should be understood and not shunned. But in today’s age where there is much more opportunity for our people than ever before, we should be mindful and respectful of our ancestors in the public domain. In this case, Jesse thought he was in a private domain next to his black host… with mic.. and camera… so in this case, he was just an idiot.

“I didn’t watch the espy’s, and i’m sure i wouldn’t have known who they were, but what does that have to do with anything?”

I only mentioned it as a side note. But not even 40 years ago was the term Nigger used in the bold print in the everyday newspaper in the states. 4 decades sounds like a lot to youngsters but for many it’s not. That’s why the terms are too close together and to home and can’t be torn apart by many who refuse to believe they have different meanings.

“and i don’t think it’s too complex for us to discuss and draw conclusions from (solve would mean their is a problem and i’m not sure what that is to call it a problem), but i think that it begins just as Marc said, not looking at things as right and wrong, because shit just ain’t simple like that.”

And I only think it’s too complex to find a simple solution. In this case, saying that Blacks can’t use is just as crazy as saying we should all be able to use it. Neither will ever happen.

25. Clifton Harrison wrote:

the thing is, you sayin “nigga” and “nigger” are the same word, for me, is telling me, “i don’t care what you say or how you feel about it, it ain’t no difference”, so without accepting that it’s possible for them to be two different words with different meanings, it’s not possible for us to exchange ideas.

what do you mean by “Ok”? Why do i choose to say it, that question i am unsure. Most of it revolves around habit and being exposed to that word in school and around friends.

Much like the host said in the video, some “just don’t get it”. meaning it’s hard and sometimes not possible for people to accept that a person can say the word “nigga” and have any other emotion or meaning behind it other than the hate and racist tone that it was originated with. and that’s cool. I don’t expect to change a person’s logic that has felt one way for 20, 30, sometimes 40 years in one conversation, or one comment section, but i feel content using the word (within the right context and setting).

26. Clifton Harrison wrote:

Samuel, I agree.

but this:

“In many cases, Nigger and Nigga are too close in our history to be pulled apart and made positive”

that statement is true for people who lived through the overt, in your face racism. I was never called “nigger” by a grown white man, or told that “niggers can’t eat here”, so it isn’t as difficult for me to seperate the two words.

truth be told, saying “what up brother” feels so much different than “what up nigga”, but ultimately, it’s my choice. I personally am very, or try to be very conscious of when and where i say (as not to offend people who may not be comfortable with the word), and i think that people who use the word should have that consideration. But we ultimately have to find a better solution that the bullshit ceremonial burial..because that get’s a “nigga please” from me…lol

27. Cézsar wrote:

NIGGER is the European-American’s disgrace and shame NOT the Black race’s. Any Black person who feels the reverse is not only enabling the guilt-shifting pathology of white people in general and thereby making a reality their illusion of the moral high-ground which they lost irretrievably a long time ago (slavery and the endless laundry list of crimes against humanity since) despite their continued reverse psychological remorseless insistence on superiority (I dont know who they think they’re fooling), but that Black person must be having bouts with his/her own personal shame, nothing to do with the race to which they happen to belong.

People like Nas for example, are trying to use a single word to get European-Americans to face up to their past. And if they dont like the implications of the word NIGGER, then address the evil that the word under-scores and replace it with GOOD (the moral deficit cant be an absolute one) by sincere repentance, reconciliation & restoration. Then NIGGER wont even be controversial anymore.

28. Logic wrote:

We wouldn’t even be having this discussion if white folks weren’t so mad that they can’t use the word with impunity. Just like any language, it should be used with consideration as to the audience.

For white folks, or anybody, to tell me I can’t use the word to greet my friend because they can’t, is ridiculous.

29. Cézsar wrote:

One more thing…

They want you to stop using it so that THEY wont feel guilty. Dont you get it? Why would they care if you “denegrate” yourself? Really…have you asked yourself that? Their “righteous indignation” at the use of the word nigger is not about you, it’s about them…and the guilty memories it triggers. Dont want to feel guilty? Then do the right thing my white nig, ya dig?

30. Clifton Harrison wrote:

hahaha, I can dig it Cezsar, that’s an interesting viewpoint….

31. DCI74 wrote:

“NIGGER is the European-American’s disgrace and shame NOT the Black race’s. Any Black person who feels the reverse is not only enabling the guilt-shifting pathology of white people in general and thereby making a reality their illusion of the moral high-ground which they lost irretrievably a long time ago (slavery and the endless laundry list of crimes against humanity since) despite their continued reverse psychological remorseless insistence on superiority (I dont know who they think they’re fooling), but that Black person must be having bouts with his/her own personal shame, nothing to do with the race to which they happen to belong.”

Cosign all day Cézsar. I am too far past getting close to bent out of shape over a word that has little impact on my day-to-day dealings. Yes I still use it, yes I am working on using it less, yes I squirm when I hear some people use it but that’s my issue and I’ll deal with it. But regardless of my feelings about the word I will never let it define me or deal with ignorant people that want to define me through it either.

32. natural nubian wrote:

Cezar that’s a different POV i must say i’ve never heard. my only thing is i don’t want it to become so casual & common in social daily social lexicon that it overshadows the past hurts it carries. if it’s backed with education on the history of the word, i am not against that. i’m battling those who use it but have no idea why, other than because they always have. and i 100% agree that steps toward repentance, reconciliation & restoration are the way to resolving not just the N-word itself, but also all the hurt and suppression it carries and has resulted in.

33. natural nubian wrote:

my bad, meant oppression not suppression.

34. Samuel wrote:

Cézsar, that’s a good view point but they also want to be able to have the freedom to use it in public as often as they’d like without any ramifications. Many whites don’t even know the history of the word just like many skinheads don’t know the real meaning behind Hitler and the swastika. They just do it to either identify with something, fit-in, or because their parents or friends do it. Many don’t use the n-word because their parents told them not to without telling them why. It’s funny how much a word has become so much of a power struggle and that’s the only major problem for them. They lost the power in using it. They want us to accept that we use it for (and against) ourselves but they also want to be able to call us one whenever they please. Neither is a great solution.

Logic, no one can explicitly tell you that you are not allowed to use a word because that violates freedom of speech. A cop can beat you to hell but you can yell it out as much as you want then sue his ass and the city for damages.

DC, I respect that. But people still do go threw it on a daily basis without it being broadcasted on all of the news. Many racial incidents occur without being reported. One of the major problems is that no one does anything until it effects them personally. My dad is a barber in St. Louis, MO where the city STILL has it’s racial lines drawn between the communities (St. Louis city is middle to poor and is majority black. St. Louis County is middle to rich and is majority white.) It’s not thrown in anyone’s face anymore but it’s there. He was struck by 2 white men and they spray-painted “Get Out Nigger” on the side of his car while getting Barbershop supplies from a store in St. Louis county. I was bussed to county schools from 3rd grade through high school and their were many racial incidents during that entire period including my senior year involving white kids that did not want us there. I graduated in ‘95 so 13 years ago is still recent for me. If none of that had happened, maybe I wouldn’t be so quick to defend those that can’t separate Nigga from Nigger. But because I also understand social change, it’s hard for me to just say that the term must be erased, too. So I understand each point of view.

35. DCI74 wrote:

I feel you Samuel and my perspective in no way negates what others are going through. My thing is I’m a grown man and I have too many other issues that more important than what some ignorant person chooses to call me. Beyond that I’m just personally exhausted with the endless conversations around the complexity of the word, it’s impact and future in the American lexicon, again it’s just not at the top of my list in terms of pertinent issues that I need to make time to address or engage in deep discussions about. I just watched “The Untold Story of Emmit Louis Till” over the weekend and after seeing that documentary I realize how even more crucial it is to focus on the real substantive issues behind deep-seated racism and not just focusing on this word.

36. Samuel wrote:

I was looking through the Netflix “Watch Instantly” section and noticed “The Untold Story of Emmit Louis Till” there. I think I’m gonna check that out this week.

37. Samuel wrote:

Sorry to get off the subject

38. DCI74 wrote:

It’s a great film.

39. Tanya wrote:

Wow E.D. is back?!?!

Marc,

Bruh, what’s up with your ties???

Why does everything have a “rich and complex history” to you??? (So Silly) Your arguments are getting old!

Jehma had the winning argument.

Sherri Sheppard is a damn idiot. This chick thinks the world if flat! And quite honestly, she is a nigger! (and I don’t mean that in an endearing way)

And let’s keep it real with the whole Messy Jesse hot-mic situation:

JJ had several extra-martial affairs and one has produced a love child. JJ does not see or emotionally support his illegitimate child like a good father should, and so he felt personally attacked by Obama’s Father’s Day Speech.

He felt personally talked down to and Obama’s words hit him personally in the heart. That is the only reason he fired back at Obama like that. The only people who take offense to Obama’s Father’s Day Speech-esque professments are the guilty culprits.

JJ go away! And take all the niggers with you! Please and Thank you!

40. clifton harrison wrote:

wow, leave it to tanya to contribute some crazy shit….

“Jehma had the winning argument”- (see the end of comment # 27)

thank you

Clif

41. Tanya wrote:

What the hell are you talking about in #27 Clifton Harrison??? B/c it sounds to me like you agree that Jehma had the winning argument!

And what is so crazy about my comment???

42. clifton harrison wrote:

lemme make it a lil more clear:

“Jehma had the winning argument”

ahem.. “that get’s a “nigga please” from me”-comment #27

and no, i think she didn’t know what the fuck she was talkin about.. (comment #9)

the only thing i agree on with her is that it shouldn’t be a right and wrong for black people using it and right and wrong for whites (or other ethnicities) using it. Others should understand the consequences that follow it (comment #4).

but the whole “make excuses, justify, and cheerlead” comment (in my opinion) is bullshit. I don’t have to “justify or make excuses because it isn’t wrong for me to use the word “nigga” (in certain contexts and situations).

Also, her saying that the woman was “more passionate” (i’m assuming she came to that conclusion by her crying) is bullshit, cuz Whoopi looked just as passionate, if not more passionate about the subject.

Then she closes out by saying “we all know what’s right and wrong”…well, the world doesn’t revolve around what she or you think is right or wrong…period.

that is why she get’s a “nigga please” just like jesse

43. clifton harrison wrote:

and without further ado….

youtube dot com/watch?v=8jqfbLI1LLc&feature=related

44. Tanya wrote:

Clif,

You stated in #9:

“i think that jehmu was wrong as well, (but was she referring to the women on the view for cheerleading the word or Jesse, I’m slightly confused).”

You are, for certain, deeply confused, on many things!

Jehmu was referring to ignorant Sherri Sheppard “cheerleading” the word. Sherri is the one who emphasized much glee when announcing to the world that she “grew up with [her] family using it” (is that really something to be proud of???), and that it’s a “term of endearment” (since when did being ignorant, uneducated and classless become endearing???).

You stated in #43:

“i think she didn’t know what the fuck she was talkin about”

Then you say in #43:

“i agree on with her is that it shouldn’t be a right and wrong for black people using it and right and wrong for whites (or other ethnicities) using it.”

Ok, so she doesn’t know what she’s talking about, but you agree with her??? That makes sense!

You stated in #43

“I don’t have to “justify or make excuses because it isn’t wrong for me to use the word “nigga” (in certain contexts and situations).”

The fact that you had to add “(in certain contexts and situations)” is an excuse and an attempt to justify the use of the word. Further, if you don’t realize how using that word, in any context, is WRONG, then there is nothing anyone can do for you. You are eternally lost!

But if you claim there is nothing wrong with it, why did you say in # 27:

“truth be told, saying “what up brother” feels so much different than “what up nigga”… I personally am very, or try to be very conscious of when and where i say (as not to offend people who may not be comfortable with the word), and i think that people who use the word should have that consideration.”

I don’t have to be “very conscious” of whose around when I use the word beautiful! But that’s b/c beautiful is a positive word! (Get it?!?!?!?!)

Yep you are truly deeply confused!

You stated in #43:

“Also, her saying that the woman was “more passionate” (i’m assuming she came to that conclusion by her crying) is bullshit, cuz Whoopi looked just as passionate, if not more passionate about the subject.”

When Jehmu said Elizabeth was more passionate, she was referring to how affected Elizabeth was by the negativity of the word and that she (Jehmu) was shocked that Whoopi and Sherri seemed unaffected by the negativity of the word; by the mere fact that they were arguing it is an “OK” term for some to use.

Moreover, this nonsense you were spewing in previous comments about “nigga” and “nigger” being two different words, speaks volumes of your ignorance and lack in ability to discern white supremacist propaganda. How can you ever move forward in life if you can’t even recognize the things that are holding you back????

You stated in #27:

“I was never called “nigger” by a grown white man, or told that “niggers can’t eat here”, so it isn’t as difficult for me to seperate the two words.”

Don’t be so simple Clif! Just b/c you are not intelligent enough and connected enough to your heritage and history to feel the pain of that word, doesn’t mean there isn’t any pain attached to that word.

Every time you use it, you hurt your ancestors and yourself, subconsciously and severely.

Wise Up Black Man!

45. Tanya wrote:

BTW – Posting that video link in #44 was very childish! Grow up!

46. Clifton Harrison wrote:

Well before i break this down, from your comments, I already understand your opinion on it, so i would just say fuck you and your opinion, but i’ll clarify myself before moving on with my life.

In comment 9, i was aware of who the women was talking about, i was actually directing that question towards Bitter Brother just to make sure we were both on the same page(look for yourself…yes scroll up…there we go…now bump ya forward!)

And using the word “nigga” as a “term of endearment” does not make me “ignorant, uneducated and classless” , and I could elaborate, but a simple fuck you will do for that statement.

Moving forward…

On comment 43, and as I state now, I don’t think overall she knew what the fuck she was talking about!! (Just like you!) As it stated (and you so blatantly ignored), I ONLY agreed with her that the word “nigga” or “nigger” shouldn’t have rules to who can say it (but even with that, my reasoning I think is different than hers). So to clarify, (and to satisfy you), she mostly didn’t know what the FUCK she was talking about, happy?

Me adding “in certain contexts and situations” was me elaborating on my opinion. there is a difference between “excuse” and “explanation”…and you call me confused? Haha, and furthermore, maybe you should listen to Marc’s advice, and get past “right” or “wrong”, because it seems as though you are truly lost. Who made you the deciding person of whether “nigga” is a right or wrong word? Fuck outta here with that bullshit lady…

In comment 27, I stated that saying “brother“ is different than saying “nigga”, not better or worse. (if you are going to try and argue a point by trying to poke holes in my opinion, please know what your talking about, or at least interpret my points correctly, mmmk?)

And I give a fuck about the word beautiful, that’s not what the discussion is about. Even though Marc works there, don’t make this the fuckin “no spin zone”, I don’t come here for bullshit like that…

Moving forward…

You stating that whoopi and sheri seemed unaffected by the “negativity” in the word and my “volumes of ignorance” points towards YOUR inability to (as I said in comment 22) accept my point as valid, and when I am met with that type of thick-headedness, I say FUCK YOUR PERSPECTIVE!! (in case you didn’t understand it clearly in comment 22).

And finally, you state that just because I‘m “not intelligent enough and connected enough to your heritage and history to feel the pain of that word, doesn’t mean there isn’t any pain attached to that word”

Smh…I am upset that your weren’t intelligent enough to actually read and comprehend what I typed before, but let me try to break it down for a simpleton like yourself.

I understand the pain behind that word. I’m not all knowing of African American culture, but I’m aware of the word “nigger” and “nigga”, and what black people have went through in America. With that being said, I was born in 1985, and my whole life (born and raised in Oakland California), I’ve either went to a evenly racially mixed school or it was dominated by African Americans. I didn’t live through the civil rights movement, or experience upfront, overt, in your face racism. The Black Panther party did not have a strong presence in Oakland when I was growing up. Do you know what did….the word NIGGA! among other things of course, but “nigga” was explained and used as an entirely different word than “nigger” for me and people in my community.

SO, read my comment very slowly (and if need be, google hooked on phonics to help you out!), as I clearly state that separating the word “nigga” and the word “nigger” ISN’T (or IS NOT) as difficult as it might be for someone who grew up during the 50’s, 60’s, or 70’s.

LET ME break it down ONE MORE TIME!!!

For myself (meaning me personally), it is not as difficult (meaning not as hard) for me to separate (or distinguish) the difference between “nigga” and “nigger” as it might be for someone who grew up during a different era (or time) and didn’t distinguish (of have different meanings for) the two words.

In closing, me using the word NIGGA (NIGGA NIGGA NIGGA!!!) doesn’t do more damage, doesn’t hurt my ancestors more than a young black man getting beat on by the cops!!!

Might have went over your head…let me break it down again…

Me using the word “nigga” does not affect my people more than my people being treated like NIGGERS. So Once the oppressors stop treating me or others like me as NIGGERS TANYA, and I’ll stop saying nigga….fuck that…I might still say it…you know why, because I fuckin can… NIGGA!!!

Now, sit back and let that shit marinate before you type one more letter on your keyboard….

47. Tanya wrote:

LOL

Ignorance is sooo bliss!

You were born in 1985 and you are from Oakland. You really don’t need to say any more!

With all of the spelling and grammatical errors in your post I should of guessed that and just ignored you.

But it really makes me sad to see young black people as lost as you are. You have no idea why you are so comfortable with the word Nigger (which is the very same and Nigga, absolutely no difference in any regard – FYI) and you have no idea how it is destroying you. (Multifarious dysfunction that is self-fostered by false “psychological comfort) You should really read Matt’s July 15, 2008 The Corner of Cross and Damon.

You can’t even use any resemblance of reason to substantiate your warped opinion. The only thing your small mind is capable of doing is using vulgarity and profanity.

“FUCK YOUR PERSPECTIVE” does not provide any support to your ridiculous claims, and it won’t keep you out of San Quentin! Get and education and upgrade your vocabulary kid!

With your current mentality you will never accomplish anything in life.

Get use to that street corner and those colors little Nigger! (and I mean that in a fully derogatory way, b/c if you can use it with such ease then obviously you are it!)

48. Clifton Harrison wrote:

haha, ok Tanya, it’s good to see you don’t have a response, lets me know the deal. You question my mentality and call me kid, yet you call me the very word you are saying is tearing down the African American community.

And as for my street corner, San Quentin, and my education:

http://www.contracostatimes dot com/colleges/ci_9371401?source=email

anything else?

Didn’t think so…..muthafucka!

49. Cézsar wrote:

Clif – “hahaha, I can dig it Cezsar, that’s an interesting viewpoint….”

DC – “Cosign all day Cézsar.”

Samuel – “Cézsar, that’s a good view point…”

Natural Nubian – “Cezar that’s a different POV i must say i’ve never heard.”

^^I know, right? Way too many Black people are so caught up in playing perpetual defense and in-fighting that they simply never make it to the other half of the court, let alone score, and God forbid – actually win the game {I’m being sarcastic, for those still embroiled in that inner battle/perpetual defense (u know who u are)}.

That’s why it’s taken this long for one of us to reach where Obama’s at right now. He simply gets it. And that’s why if Black America were to be taken out of the continent of America now and placed bang in the middle of Africa, accents aside, you’d be hard pressed to spot the difference (think Katrina). The elite wouldn’t make one bit of difference bcoz all African countries also have a Black intellectual elite. There’s another factor hindering collective progress, and I believe I just identified it and you guys felt it.

One need look no further than this thread for evidence of precisely the sort of in-fighting – that is usually instigated by those on the perpetual defense/self in-fighting – that prevents both the individual and collective from having any sight or vision outside their pain. Resultant: little or no progress.

And in the words of Marc, “this is why we still aint free”!

50. Tanya wrote:

Clif,

Thank you for posting that article.

As someone with a Communications degree I would expect you to be able to better express yourself, and without spelling and grammatical errors! (But I guess anyone can get a degree these days.)

For the sake of your precious young daughter – STOP USING THAT WORD! You don’t want her to end up like Sherri Sheppard (Sherri grow up around drugs and has had multiple abortions and admits she’s done much wrong in her life) saying “I grew up with my family using it”.

And yes, I believe that Sherri lived such a questionable life b/c of the fact that everyone in her family freely used that word. If you don’t have enough pride to realize that there is nothing endearing about that term, then you will not have enough pride to live a decent, clean and full life.

And in case you missed my “response” in #48, #45 or #40 here it is in simpler terms:

There is nothing positive or endearing about that word, no matter how you try to twist it. The White Supremacist Power Structure inserted that word into the “hip-hop culture” as an “endearing term” to strategically breakdown the mental and physical stability of the black community; and you fell victim to it, and you defend it – sad!

Pick up the book The Isis Papers by Dr. Frances Cress Welsing, or watch her videos on YouTube. She talks about all the subliminal things The White Supremacist Power Structure has inserted in modern everyday life to destroy black people. She may help you realize the errors of your ways, and help you stop using that word, and free you mentally.

Congrats on the article kid – cute!

51. Clifton Harrison wrote:

One, I’m a grown man.

Two, this is a comment section, not my thesis, so sue me if i have a grammatical errors.

three, i understand your point completely. You are too closed-minded to accept and acknowledge the fact that contrary to what you believe, their are actually people who feel that their is a difference between “nigga” and “nigger”, and your unwilling to accept that fact.

So as i’ve said before, and i will say for the last time, when people engage me in this debate/conversation/exchange of opinions (about the word “nigga”/”nigger”), and are either unable or unwilling to accept my opinion as valid, then i say Fuck their perspective. It’s just that simple.

So until you can come to the table with an open mind, go watch your soaps old lady.

52. Tanya wrote:

LOL, darling, I’m 27. If you think that makes me an old lady, then ok!

I completely understand that you really believe there is a difference between “Nigger” and “Nigga”. But YOU ARE WRONG!

And I KNOW WHY you believe there is a difference.

But YOU DO NOT KNOW WHY you believe there is a difference.

Check out my girl Dr. Frances Cress Welsing. She’ll help you understand why and how you have come to erroneously believe, accept and defend that there is a difference.

Wise Up!

53. Tanya wrote:

PS – I really hope you are open minded enough to read her book!

54. Clifton Harrison wrote:

not “believe their is”, their is a difference. I’ve explained why their is a difference…accept it and we can continue, if not, lets just move to the next post…

55. Tanya wrote:

“not “believe their is”, their is a difference” – You have a Communications degree????

Can I sue you for all your spelling errors too! (lol, unbelievable)

Darling, you are sadly lost!

You have posted 18 comments here. 18!!!! And you have failed to explain or offer reasoning, on any level, WHY there is a difference or WHAT the difference is. 18 comments and you have said absolutely nothing to combat the opposition but, “FUCK YOUR PERSPECTIVE”.

You have proved nothing expect that your opinion is invalid, and your Communications degree is invalid!

Get a clue youngling!

56. DCI74 wrote:

Another cosign Cézsar for #50.

All of this back and forth is straight comedy, a little listening and reasoning goes a long way.

57. Clifton Harrison wrote:

the ignorant….damn them!!

If you have been going back and forth over this and you have not understood my perspective, to the point where i have to explain WHAT the difference is between the word “nigga” and “nigger”, then it’s apparent that at 27, you won’t be going much farther than the cashier position at Burger King.

You also sound a tad bit crazy if you feel that you can decide whether or not my degree is valid, what a ignorant nigga you is!

but just to clarify, the difference is that I (as well as many others in our society) define the word “nigga” as a friend/patna’/homie (which is different that “nigger”).

I’ve got a clue, and a degree…but don’t worry, if i ever see you in the drive thru, you can keep the change.

58. Clifton Harrison wrote:

and i definetly agree with Cézsar, and normally DC, I can brush ignorance off my shoulder…but sometimes i feel it’s my duty to help ho…rse to the water, and push they head in the fucking water….

59. Miss Martin wrote:

ROTFLMAO…OMG! CLIFTON HARRISON…HIGH FUCKING FIVE! MY NIGGA

60. Cézsar wrote:

I see you DC. Oh and just for clarity sake, and judjing by the contents of this thread, Clif neither you nor any of the people I quoted in post #50 fit what I described in that post because you didn’t instigate the devolution of this thread.

Oh and Clif, you #59 is HILARIOUS! LMAO!

61. Clifton Harrison wrote:

thanks…I’m here all week!! lol, naw but i appreciate you clarifying that bruh…

62. DCI74 wrote:

Lol @ Clif, you got a nigga oops I mean brotha in stitches over here. Believe me I completely get what you’re saying and can vividly remember being around my dad and his friends (products of the 50s & 60s) and the word nigga was used in a non-derogatory manner but it was understood that this was “inside” language that the general public wouldn’t get without an explanation and if you had to explain then clearly it wasn’t meant for them anyway. Never once did their use of the word reflect negatively on the other educational, social, and business accomplishments they achieved.

The word nigga is like a boulder rolling down a hill, it’s been used for so long and by so many people that the amount of speed (i.e. constant usage) it’s picked makes it’s damn near impossible to create rules of said usage; that once “inside” word is now out and about and flailing like crazy. One would be better off trying to put toothpaste back in the tube than trying to dictate who can say what and when. It just continues to amaze me how one word can bring up so much passion.

63. Clifton Harrison wrote:

haha, i feel ya DC, it’s always a passionate debate…

64. Tanya wrote:

You people are so ignorant it’s sad!

I’m quite certain my bank account, personal and professional status is far above what any of you currently have or could even possibly, ever attain.

So your Burger King comment is hilarious! Especially since you will never get a job using your Communications degree; if you don’t know the difference between: there, their and they’re! So just keep cashing those welfare checks!

More importantly, the word “Nigga”, is NOT a “friend/patna’/homie”, that’s what The White Supremacist Power Structure wants your ignorant ass to believe.

Ever thought to ask yourself WHY the word has come to refer to a friend in black society???

This is why you people are just going to spend the rest of your lives as the “have nots” in the ghettoes! You don’t even realize the subliminal barriers that have been set for you; so how can you overcome them?!?!?!?!?!

THERE IS NOTHING AT ALL POSITIVE ABOUT CALLING YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS NIGGAS!!!! PERIOD!!!!

If you don’t get that, then guess what, you are indeed a NIGGER!

If you guys are my competition in life, than I’ve got some easy sailing!

65. Clifton Harrison wrote:

“I’m quite certain my bank account, personal and professional status is far above what any of you currently have or could even possibly, ever attain”

“We don’t believe you, you need more people!!”-Hov

fall back lady, head over to Faux News and conversate with those people, you’ll fit right in!!

66. Tanya wrote:

“conversate”

Damn, those white people did a remarkable job keeping you niggers as niggers!

You are still young; I hope one day soon you will see the light!

For those of you older than Clif “high fiving” his ignorance, you’re in a sad, sad state!

WAKE UP!

67. Cézsar wrote:

Clif: “thanks…I’m here all week!! lol, naw but i appreciate you clarifying that bruh…”

^It’s all good bruh. And thank you…your #66 got me cracking up too hehehe!

68. DCI74 wrote:

“I’m quite certain my bank account, personal and professional status is far above what any of you currently have or could even possibly, ever attain.”

If I were to believe that I might as well believe that Rick Ross really wasn’t a C.O. and Akon really is a con. Come on Tanya let’s be real, you don’t know anything personal about anyone on here so why the necessity to make personal baseless attacks you know damn well you can’t prove? If you don’t agree with what someone else said then fine, you’ve stated your perspective but why do you have to come across so antagonistic?

69. Tanya wrote:

DC,

My comment (which will soon be self-evident), was in response to Clif’s:

“then it’s apparent that at 27, you won’t be going much farther than the cashier position at Burger King.”

Was Clif’s comment antagonistic???

Was it antagonistic when Clif said in #41, “leave it to tanya to contribute some crazy shit”???

Was it antagonistic when Clif said in #21, “Fuck your perspective!!!” to Natural Nubian’s comments???

It was indeed Clif (with his young, ignorant ass) who “instigate[d] the devolution of this thread”.

Don’t be mad at me b/c I argue with truth and logic and some of you argue with ignorance and emotion! Don’t be mad at me b/c I come right back at you, just as hard or even harder!

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. – That’s Newton’s Third Law of Motion!

But in the end, I don’t have any beef with any of you, b/c I don’t know any of you personally. But I do know that some of your comments are damaging to yourself and your community, and it will be virtually impossible for anyone to progress with the level of ignorance I see on this blog.

70. Clifton Harrison wrote:

hahaha, come on man, that cut and paste bits of my statements is whack. In regards to Nubian’s comments, here it is word for word:

“See, it’s people like Natural Nubian, who aren’t willing to accept a different opinion or view as valid, that are holding US as a community from working together to resolve are disagreements.

So when i’m met with resistance like that, and people are unwilling to accept my view or stance as valid and debate or exchange ideas and opinions..i say Fuck your perspective!!!”

I never personally attacked her, but you jumped into the conversation dumb ass late, and talked about my level of ignorance and my lack of intelligence (# 45). I didn’t make any comments about you as a person, until you came at me crazy.

People, go read for yourself, it’s clear this old lady needs to take a trip to lenscrafters for some new bifocals!!

You speak about my comments being damaging, yada yada, how i shouln’t use the word nigga, yet you call me NIGGER? you worse than Jesse, because you ain’t done shit!!

So don’t be mad because you got clowned old lady…go eat some tomato soup!!

71. Tanya wrote:

LMAO!!! Clif you are so pathetic and ignorant it’s laughable!!! At first I felt sorry for you; now I am literally laughing at you!

(This is why Oprah said she chose to build a school in Africa and not in the Black American ghettos like Oakland. B/C of little Niggers like Clif, who would just never get!)

My first comment on here was #40, and I didn’t say anything about you or to you in it.

You are the one that referred to my comment as “crazy shit” (#41). Yet you were too ignorant and void of vocabulary to expound or substantiate your position and comment!

Go read a book kid; and try to get yourself and your family out the ghetto!

72. Cézsar wrote:

“You speak about my comments being damaging, yada yada, how i shouln’t use the word nigga, yet you call me NIGGER? you worse than Jesse, because you ain’t done shit!!”

^Oooh! So cold. So so cold! And that is what I believe is known in the business as…a KNOCKOUT ladies and gentlemen! LMAO for real! Clif you just managed to expose the “high horse” for the “lame stunting pony” that it really is hahaha! Well done. This battle is over.

73. Tanya wrote:

Is that Cézsar-the fool/shiny door knob commenting???

For those of you a little slow on the giddy up:

I DO NOT refer to any of my friends or anyone that I am fond of as a Nigga or a Nigger. (Both of those words are negative.)

However, when I see a fool, an ignorant, uneducated person, that I am NOT fond of, whether they are black or white, and I find it fitting, I call them a NIGGER!

In case you can’t tell Clif, I think you are ignorant and uneducated – a Nigger, in all respects!

The difference with my usage and your usage is that:

YOU use the negative word to refer to your friends, which has psychological affects – a damaging usage;

I use the negative word to refer to negative people – that’s proper usage!

Read a book NIGGERS!

74. DCI74 wrote:

Tanya, in order for me to mad at someone that person would have to actually mean something to me for that reason it’s impossible for you to say anything that would make me mad so in the words of Idle Warship, fall back.

All of Clif’s statements were directed to you meanwhile you called everyone else ignorant who agreed with him and tried to come off like you are somehow more accomplished than the rest of us and those were definitely antagonistic. If you don’t see that, I don’t know what else to say.

75. Tanya wrote:

DC,

If you find my comments antagonistic then obviously they do “actually mean something” to you!

If you truly believe any of my comments here were especially hostile, when they were direct truths, on par in passion with every other comment (from others) on here, then that sounds like a personal problem; toughen your skin homie!

76. DCI74 wrote:

Young lady this is not about thick or thicker skin, it’s simply about you trying to enhance your argument with bolstered claims you can’t prove. If you think you level of education, financial success, and social relevance makes you special then you are dead on but it doesn’t make you better especially when you know nothing about the people you’re trying to kick dirt on.

77. DCI74 wrote:

^your

78. Tanya wrote:

DC,

You are sharper than that!

My comment on my status was not in any way to enhance my argument, it was solely to refute Clif’s Burger King comment!

I’m not kicking dirt, I’m shining light!

But I guess some people can’t see the light with all the dirt The White Supremacist Power Structure has placed in their eyes!

Why are you guys letting them win the war?!?!?!?!?!

79. Clifton Harrison wrote:

and as i said before, my “crazy shit” comment was not about you personally, but about your comment. I didn’t call you crazy, or shit, just your comment. You actually called me ignorant…which is why i went up side ya head in this thread.

the only thing your shining light on is your thick skull and how your not able to admit when your wrong. Plain and simple. And this isn’t even in regards to the actual intellectual exchange myself and others were having until you showed up!!

No no, you can’t even realize that you asked for this comment section ass whooping when you called me ignorant. And even after correcting you (see # 49), you still can’t get it through ya damn head that i ain’t no ignorant ass little kid. I’m an educated black man, and at times, an educated, dangerous nigga..but you found that out the hard way (see #59 or 66 for the stuart scott highlights people!! lol)

“In case you can’t tell Clif, I think you are ignorant and uneducated – a Nigger, in all respects”

In case you can’t tell Tanya, what you think and your opinion is worth a pile of donkey shit. I’ve already proven my point intellectually, and clowned you to the point where you are getting mad at other people for laughing..

I know it must burn you up that a nigga like me, from a black ghetto like Oakland can not only show people how much of a fool you are, but actually prove my point in the process!!

DC, I tried breaking shit down to her, but she can’t see the truth. I tried forcing that ho….rse to drink the water and this old hag would rather drown!!

“What more can i say”- Jigga

80. Tanya wrote:

Clif,

You are without a doubt an “ignorant ass little kid”. You can’t even put together a proper sentence!

You have NO point! The only thing you proved is that you can’t spell and have no grasp on grammar! (That Communications degree you claim to have is totally invalid, and I am absolutely positive you are not employed to use it, if you’re employed at all.)

The only “ho….rse” is your young ignorant ass, b/c White Supremacy has straight pimped you!

They say to never repeatedly tell a child they are ugly or stupid, b/c even if they are the most beautiful and intelligent child in the world they will grow up to believe that they are ugly and stupid. They will live their lives like they are ugly and stupid, and eventually they will actually become ugly and stupid.

The White Supremacist Power Structure understands this and they have hoodwinked black people into infusing the word nigger/nigga into their everyday and common speech to evoke this exact outcome.

Someone has called you a nigga one too many times, b/c you have actually become a true nigger!

Learn to spell, use proper grammar, and express your point of view with logic and reason, then maybe you can claim you have given me a “comment section ass whooping”. But until then, you are just a stupid little nigger who did nothing but crack a few childish jokes!

AND you were preposterously wrong on every single thing you mentioned!

Upgrade your life!

81. Tanya wrote:

“Let me, let me, let me UPGRADE ya!” – Beyoncé

82. Clifton Harrison wrote:

*yawn***

83. Tanya wrote:

I would expect you to yawn b/c you are straight sleeping through life! I will not tell you to wake up anymore b/c you are obviously very happy in your eternal sleep. So keep sleeping!

84. Cézsar wrote:

Tanya: “They say to never repeatedly tell a child they are ugly or stupid, b/c even if they are the most beautiful and intelligent child in the world they will grow up to believe that they are ugly and stupid. They will live their lives like they are ugly and stupid, and eventually they will actually become ugly and stupid.”

^No truer self portait has ever been painted. A description consistent with the ugly character you have displayed here on these boards. I always thought there was a reason for your ugly behaviour…now I know why. Nice work Tanya. But true self-diagnosis is only the first step, now you must come up with an equally veracious prognosis so that sincere healing may begin. OK?

85. Clifton Harrison wrote:

hahaha, couldn’t have said it better Cézsar!

86. Tanya wrote:

Cézsar,

The truth hurts! And if the truth I speak hurts you, then you’re the ugly one, not me!

BTW – No one has ever called me ugly, ever in my life! Matter of fact, every time I walk out the house, men flock to me and tell me how beautiful I am! When people see me the first thing they acknowledge is my looks! But I’m most pleased with my inner beauty, and all the good I have done in my life, and all the people I have helped, and all the notes of gratitude I’ve receive!

If we were to have people judge you and I based on looks, I know for damn certain I will score marks well above you! If we were to have people judge you and I based on deeds, I know for damn certain I will score marks well above you!

I’m happy and doing great in all regards! So there is nothing to diagnose over here!

How about you concentrate on healing yourself! It’s obvious you are having problems assimilating to Western life. You haven’t even picked up Western English. Focus on eliminating all the verb confusion in your posts, and convert to Western spelling! Then work on your dead-beat dad issues and understanding facts before you post feminine-like emotional rantings! And don’t forget to hit up a psychiatrist to get meds for that Reflective Character Disorder you’re suffering from!

Best of Luck to you!

87. MrsPickron wrote:

Using the N word is disrespectful and inappropriate no matter who uses it. I’ve taught in a predominately Hispanic middle school for five years. There was about one African American student to every 5 Hispanic students. In my class I would have about 4-5 AA students. My first time hearing the N word threw me off guard. It came from an H student. I just knew that “John Doe” my AA student who had anger problems and major behavior issues would just jump up and knock the H student’s head off… There has been several times when someone would say, “it stinks in here” and he’ll jump up and punch them in the face (because it was him). Now that day that the Nword was said he didn’t react. I was kind of hoping he would because I was angry by its use. Well he didn’t and I had a long talk with the entire class. Their comments remind me of Cliff’s. Understand that this is 6th grade.

I feel if you want to address your homie with endearment why make up a word so close to the very negative word that was used to insult and belittle our ancestors? Just because you change the “er” to “a” does not mean that it’s different. It’s sad and I’m ashamed. When I hear that word being used I always look around to make sure there are no children and anyone from another race around to witness the ignorance. We really need to get away from this word and it starts with us with our children. I’ve already taught my 6yr old son that it is a word of profanity and it is not to be used just as the other words. I will go into detail as soon as I feel he is ready and would understand.

Cliff did you watch ROOTS? I saw that movies for the first time in 3rd grade (which I thought was too soon). That was when I first heard the N word and also when I realized how much it hurt our ancestors. In honor of them I will not use it and defend them when it is used.

I’ve been reading the threads on this blog site for a while now. I’ve analyzed the regulars from their comments and understand why Tanya is being attacked right now.

I feel that you guys are intimidated by her as a lot of men are when it comes to a Strong Educated Black Woman. And I believe that is why most of us are single.

Cezar, I think you’re only cheering Cliff on just to go against Tanya and to get under her skin. I read how she shut you up on another thread. I’m sure you are feeling some type of way. Anyone who can cheer him on after reading what he wrote and not try to help him is as ignorant as he is. I couldn’t really focus on what his point was because I had a hard time getting pass the type of grammatical errors a college graduate can make. By now you should know the difference between your & you’re and their, there & they’re. I bet you have a hard time with too, to, & two?

I read papers with these errors all the time but please understand again that 1. It is a language barrier and 2. they are in the 6th grade… there is room for growth. Going through college and not learn the difference is a serious problem. That really bothers me which is one of my biggest “pet peeves”. There are grammar books you can buy. It’s not too late.

By the way if you think 27 is old I will not share my age with you. That is another sign of ignorance.
I’m not much of a blogger, I made my point even though I can say a lot more and most importantly I will not go back and forth with you. Your mentality reminds me of some of my students, I’ll be less of an Educator to debate with you. I wish you the best and lots and lots of KNOWLEDGE for your daughter’s sake.

I used your, you’re, there, and their several times, PLEASE take note of the uses.

PEACE to all!

88. Clifton Harrison wrote:

First,

“BTW – No one has ever called me ugly, ever in my life! Matter of fact, every time I walk out the house, men flock to me and tell me how beautiful I am!”

Do i have to quote Mr. Carter again??? haha

Now for Mrs Pickron.

First and foremost, to this comment

“I feel that you guys are intimidated by her as a lot of men are when it comes to a Strong Educated Black Woman. And I believe that is why most of us are single.”

I am married to a strong beautiful black woman and we are raising a strong beautiful black daughter. No intimidation over here!

Now I can’t speak for you because this is your first post (towards me), but just from Tanya’s posts on this thread, I would understand why any man wouldn’t want to be with her. And that’s not talking about her looks, but just her attitude and her inability to acknowledge and respect someone’s opinion.

I love coming to this site to discuss my points with others (even if they are total opposite of mines (see garrett or john, or james comments! lol), but I refuse to be called ignorant or talked down to, plain and simple. I probably shouldn’t have said Tanya’s comments were “crazy shit”, and i can apologize for that, but i did not attack her personally until she started talking (or typing) out the side of her face. If you have time, read the comments and you can plainly see the evidence.

” That was when I first heard the N word and also when I realized how much it hurt our ancestors. In honor of them I will not use it and defend them when it is used”

Here’s the thing, I believe that their are other words that i can use instead of nigga, and often times i do. But what gets me upset is the fact that people (often times older…or more seasoned in life, lol) will not accept nor respect my generations viewpoint and opinion as valid, and as i’ve said several times before, when someone is not even respecting my opinion as valid, which prevents us from coming to any sort of level of understanding and agreement (in order for us to move forward and progress as one), then i don’t respect that and i say “fuck their perspective”. Please read more words carefully. i repeat, please read them carefully. I’m not saying fuck you, or tanya…well maybe tanya, just your perspective on this matter.

If your opinion is that “nigga” and “nigger” are the same word, OK, i hear you, i understand and respect that opinion, BUT DO NOT tell me what i think is wrong, as i have not done that to you. That’s all i ask, umm…now who was it that said R-E-S-P-E-C-T??

moving on to the Cezar and his “cheering”, don’t try an downplay my jokes…them shits was funny, and Cezar wasn’t the only one laughin…(you know you laughed yourself..you ain’t got to lie to kick it!!)

“I read papers with these errors all the time but please understand again that 1. It is a language barrier and 2. they are in the 6th grade… there is room for growth. Going through college and not learn the difference is a serious problem. That really bothers me which is one of my biggest “pet peeves”. There are grammar books you can buy. ”

smh, one of my pet peeves (especially when having a debate/arugment/exchange of opinions) is when someone picks out things that don’t even matter. the last time i checked, you nor tanya were my professors and this wasn’t a paper being submitted, so Fuck tha grammar shit aight! you get the point..

“By the way if you think 27 is old I will not share my age with you. That is another sign of ignorance.”

no, but i don’t consider myself at 22 a kid, so the moral to that joke is, won’t start none, won’t be none!

“I’m not much of a blogger, I made my point even though I can say a lot more and most importantly I will not go back and forth with you. Your mentality reminds me of some of my students, I’ll be less of an Educator to debate with you.”

You can speak towards my mentality, and make references to 6th grade students all you like, but in the words of T.I. “shawty you don’t know me!”. And for a so-called “educator” and what seems to be an intelligent black woman, i find it disappointing that you would come in on the tail end of this and try to preach your shit and not actually come at me correct and without judging me. It seems as if you read all of my jokes, but none of the actual points that i’ve made. But it could very well be that you have the same mentality as Tanya, and that is to ignore the real, and point out the lil..i mean little shit that doesn’t matter, i really don’t know.

But i do atleast appreciate you expressing yourself.

Clif

89. Clifton Harrison wrote:

*please read my*

*don’t start none*

90. Cézsar wrote:

Tanya (aka MrsPickron): “BTW – No one has ever called me ugly, ever in my life! Matter of fact, every time I walk out the house, men flock to me and tell me how beautiful I am! When people see me the first thing they acknowledge is my looks!”

^First – “We dont believe you, you need more people”. Can “MrsPickron” back you up on that? LMAO!

Second – No one in this thread has mentioned anything about your looks. So that battle is with yourself love.

Third and finally: I think you should stick to doing self portraits, like this one – “They say to never repeatedly tell a child they are ugly or stupid, b/c even if they are the most beautiful and intelligent child in the world they will grow up to believe that they are ugly and stupid. They will live their lives like they are ugly and stupid, and eventually they will actually become ugly and stupid.” – they suit you better, they are more communicative of your character, and they help you better achieve your goal of getting the world to know you better. It’s a win-win, stick to what you’re good at. Just trying to help really. Mwah!

P.S. Clif wrapped this up in post #71. Let it go darling.

91. Tanya wrote:

WOW! Thank you MrsPickron!

I know there are indeed educated black people who know right from wrong and see the light! I know my efforts aren’t in vein! I know that anyone with a brain can recognize the real in these posts!

But how do we do this??? How do we help our young brothers and sisters who don’t even recognize that they are in dire need of help??? I try to lift as I climb, but they seem to be so happy at the bottom!

I wish you would post more! Thanks again for sharing your perspective!

92. Clifton Harrison wrote:

“How do we help our young brothers and sisters”

First step in that is not calling them NIGGERS:

“In case you can’t tell Clif, I think you are ignorant and uneducated – a Nigger”-Tanya

“read a book NIGGERS!”-Tanya

“Oprah said she chose to build a school in Africa and not in the Black American ghettos like Oakland. B/C of little Niggers like Clif”-Tanya

“Get use to that street corner and those colors little Nigger!”-Again..Tanya

For someone praising MrsPickron, i would think you would actually ready her opinion.

MrsPickron’s very first sentence:
“Using the N word is disrespectful and inappropriate no matter who uses it:

Even though you are the one in need for help, i hope this will provide some guidance into your beginning steps of actually helping our people.

Instead of trying to climb by stepping on your people and getting nowhere fast, open your eyes and ears, because i think you will realize you are at the bottom, and in desperate need of some help, but just to ignorant and thick-headed to realize it.

93. Tanya wrote:

Clif,

“I am married to a strong beautiful black woman and we are raising a strong beautiful black daughter. No intimidation over here!”

Um, Clif, I’ve seen your picture, and I’ll spare you my opinion! I’ve also read all of your comments on this blog, and you’re practically illiterate. You have great difficulty expressing yourself clearly. There is no Strong, Educated Black Woman in the world who would marry you! You’re married (or maybe just living with) an Aquashanequa welfare queen. And if you keep up with your ignorance and continue to use that word around your daughter, she will end up an Aquashanequa welfare queen as well. (The vicious cycle continues)

“just from Tanya’s posts on this thread, I would understand why any man wouldn’t want to be with her.”

Darling, I’ve been proposed to 3 times! And I have turned all the proposals down b/c I have very high standards. The true fact of the matter is, there is a lack of Highly Educated, Spiritual, Good Looking black men with Good Hygiene out there! And a Strong, Educated Black Woman would never settle for anything less!

“I refuse to be called ignorant or talked down to”

Talked down to???? You mean like how JJ claims Obama “talked down to” dead-beat dads??? Why can’t you people just recognize when you’re wrong and accept what is right???

“It seems as if you read all of my jokes, but none of the actual points that i’ve made.”

Clif, I’ll give it to you, some of your jokes were funny! I laughed! So I’m not mad at you or anyone for laughing.

But guess what????? YOU NEVER MADE ANY POINTS!!!!!!

All you have said is, to the effect of: “In my opinion nigger and nigga are not the same. My friends and my generation use it as an endearing term.”

But you have never expressed or explained why!!!! You never expressed why you use it so often. You never expressed why you think it is an endearing term. You never expressed how or why it is ok for you to use it.

And that’s b/c, plain and simply, you just don’t know why!!! You are a sad victim of White Supremacy, and you don’t even know it.

But all you can say to that is, “FUCK YOUR PERSPECTIVE”.

If you told people that you think dogs can talk, speak English. No one will accept your opinion, unless you explain why and how you came to the conclusion that dogs can talk and speak English! (Get it???)

But what I think is most telling is the fact that your comments are riddled with rap quotes! You obviously allow rap to dictate your life. (read Matt’s article) If you live according to the rap game, then I guess by the time you hit 30 you will be in the grave or the jailhouse!

I’ll prayer for you my brother!

94. Cézsar wrote:

Damn Clif! You resurrected and killed her again! Hahaha! And the funny thing is, she has provided the ammo with which she has been killed every time lol…such a novice.

95. Tanya wrote:

Clif,

In response to your #93. On this you are absolutely right! It was, without a doubt, WRONG for me to call you a Nigger.

But you are so blind and so ignorant that, honestly, nigger is the word I feel best describes you. But I do acknowledge that it is still WRONG!

That’s the difference between me and you.

I can see right from wrong, and admit when I am wrong. You can’t! You think it is right to call your friends nigga, and you defend it, without thought or cause.

You referring to your friends as a nigga on a daily and frequent basis, is way more damaging than me referring to a person that I believe is truly ignorant as a nigger.

But again, I do recognize that me using the word is WRONG!!! Do you recognize your usage as WRONG????

That is the question!

96. Cézsar wrote:

Clif, it looks as though Tanya forgot to log on as her alias “MrsPickron” before responding to what you addressed to “MrsPickron” LMMFAO! Just look how she’s exposed herself again:

You said this to “MrsPickron” in post #89: “It seems as if you read all of my jokes, but none of the actual points that i’ve made.”

But “MrsPickron” didn’t reply, Tanya (MrsPickron) did, like so – Tanya: “‘It seems as if you read all of my jokes, but none of the actual points that i’ve made.’

Clif, I’ll give it to you, some of your jokes were funny! I laughed! So I’m not mad at you or anyone for laughing.

But guess what????? YOU NEVER MADE ANY POINTS!!!!!!”

Hahaha! This is just sad. So very sad. Aw well, it is what it is I guess LMAO! Oh what a tangled web we weave, aye Tanya? Hahaha!

97. Tanya wrote:

Cézsar,

Everyone sees that you’re a loser! Just stop trying to feed off this kid.

I know getting use to running water and the language barrier has been rough on you. It’s obviously caused some sort of an identity crisis for you, we see it!

This is probably why you think I’m MrsPickron. Maybe you make-up identities and go on blogs and who knows where else! But I don’t. MrsPickron is her own person, who has seen straight through you! (Just like everyone else who can read and comprehend)

98. Tanya wrote:

Cézsar,

You are a BONAFIDE FOOL!!! Everyone sees your desperation! You’re just mad b/c you are a fool who I exposed, and now you have some ax to grind!

I, as well as many other people on this blog, have often responded to questions or statements that were addressed to other people!

Get a grip loser!

I have submitted bold statements under my name TANYA, the entire time, and on every single section on this blog. If I wanted to say anything MrsPickron said, I would say it under my name TANYA!

MrsPickron is her own person!

You could check the IP address I send my posts from and the IP address MrsPickron sent her post from. I doubt it’s even in the same state!

You are such a dummy, with major issues!

99. Clifton Harrison wrote:

“Darling, I’ve been proposed to 3 times! And I have turned all the proposals down b/c I have very high standards.”

www dot youtube dot com/watch?v=i0OLismXWzE – Jay-Z (1:35 if you must hear it live and direct)

WE DON’T BELIEVE YOU!!! YOU NEED MORE PEOPLE!!

before you make anymore statements about your life, repeat this in the mirror to yourself. once you get enough people, then speak up.

how am I “practically illiterate”? yeah…sure.

See the difference between me and you is this. Besides the fact that you are either very ignorant or just to stubborn to admit your wrong, i actually can (and have proven) my statements.

I never had to prove to you my intelligence, but to save myself from sounding like a fool (like you), i provided actual proof of my intelligence. Internet idiots like yourself claim this that and the third, but which sounds really good, but me and you (as well as anyone reading this) knows you talkin out ya ass! I apologize if you weren’t blessed with beauty on the outside, but everyone is beautiful on the inside…i just hope that’s where you keep your beauty…INSIDE!!

The thing i will say about your “Aquashanequa welfare queen” comment, is that for one who is talking about white supremecy and it’s control, you sure buy into the stereotypes and spew it right back out. That, and that you sound like a fuckin idiot if you think my choice to use the word “nigga” will turn my daughter into “welfare queen”.

“But you have never expressed or explained why!!!! You never expressed why you use it so often. You never expressed why you think it is an endearing term. You never expressed how or why it is ok for you to use it”

Finally, had you asked these questions from jump, i would have never had to clown you and have you making up stories about men that want to marry you and your success and blah blah blah..

““nigga” was explained and used as an entirely different word than “nigger” for me and people in my community”-comment 47.

I don’t know how else to spell it out for you, but i’ll try one more time. when i grew up, i heard some kids sayin nigga…as well as rappers, adults, etc. I came to find out that nigger was what people called blacks in a negative way, but we changed up the word, and made our own definition.

I don’t know what your definition of “often” is nor do i know how you could possibly know how much i use the word to know whether it’s “often” or not.

“Nigga” is an endearing term for me, as well as many others just the same as “blue” represents a color that we all agree in society as blue. But God, Allah, or any higher power did not give us a word book by which we follow, nor are we following Tanya’s guide to “what this word means”.

Finally, it’s ok for me and anyone else to use it whenever they fuckin feel like it. Now, does that mean everyday, all day, i’m yelling out Nigga? No. But if and when i do, i will..aight nigga?

100. Clifton Harrison wrote:

“But what I think is most telling is the fact that your comments are riddled with rap quotes! You obviously allow rap to dictate your life. (read Matt’s article) If you live according to the rap game, then I guess by the time you hit 30 you will be in the grave or the jailhouse”

“riddled”…really? because i “ethered” you and did a straight up “takeover” on this comment section, you say this, well “hate me now” and because “diamonds are forever”!!!

now that is riddled, i simply hit you with the one-liners!!

maybe if i lived my life according to the “rap game”, i might be in the grave or the jailhouse, but newsflash, i don’t!! what rapper do you know takes his downtime to totally crush a crazy ol hag in a comment section?? well, other than me!!

Glad you can finally admit one (of the many things you’ve done wrong), you are truly on the path to the light!

but in response to this:

“But again, I do recognize that me using the word is WRONG!!! Do you recognize your usage as WRONG????”

it’s not wrong..not in my book…and being that you are not my creator, or anyone remotely important in my life, it really doesn’t matter what you think is right or wrong..

101. Clifton Harrison wrote:

Cézsar, that’s an interesting point, and when you add in tanya’s constant need to state things that are probably not true, it’s a good possibility that MrsPickron and Tanya could be one in the same! but even if they aren’t, Tanya is a very sad, sad person…

102. Cézsar wrote:

^True, true.

103. MrsPickron wrote:

Cliff, I’m married to respond to your comment… hint the MRS. I have to say your first comment today in reply to mine sounds like u did some thinking overnight. You didn’t sound so hyper and defensive. I sense hope for you and that you are not as lost as I previously thought, you just need some guidance. You’re only 22 you still have a lot of growing up to do. Save these comments and look back at them… say 5-6 yrs from now and it should make you laugh and appreciate your growth(if there is any). Oh and I did read every comment on here from 1-103 word from word. I don’t know why you think I didn’t.

Tanya, you know you can only help those who wants to be helped. I read on this blog site a lot (everyday several times a day). I may have many comments in my head to post, however; I just don’t feel the need to share and most of the time someone else would already state my point. Most of the time we have the same views or I understand your order of thought. I view from my phone and reading is cool but making a comment is horrible (as it is right now).

Give me a break guys… you can’t recognize that Tanya and I are two different people? I’ve read the threads so much I try to guess who wrote the comment before I get to the end to see the name. I almost guess correctly every time.
Again I’m on my phone right now I can not see the other comments. I forgot what else I wanted to address.

104. Clifton Harrison wrote:

It’s true that I need guidance, much like any and everybody else in this world, but if you or Tanya, or anyone else is trying to guide, please understand you can’t talk down or at people, you must talk with them. Me being 22 does not warrant you or anyone older absolute knowledge or say-so in what’s right or wrong.

And had you read all of my posts, and not just the jokes, or the shots at tanya, you would have seen several times where i’ve stated my opinion on the matter, but after so many posts, it becomes pointless trying to explain them to someone (tanya) who is either unwilling or unable to listen and understand, so i resorted to clowning (and that wasn’t until after she disrespected me personally).

105. Tanya wrote:

MrsPickron,

Your comments are like a breath of fresh air! Thanks again for sharing your point of view!

106. Tanya wrote:

Clif,

“i provided actual proof of my intelligence”

LMAO!!! Really???? I missed that! (Sorry I just couldn’t resist! But I will try to stop “talking down to” you!)

“tanya’s constant need to state things that are probably not true…”

Everything I have stated here is absolute fact! But you will see it for yourself soon enough!

Clif, you just have to realize that you DID NOT provide any reason, proof, or logic to support your use of nigga!

“‘nigga’ was explained and used as an entirely different word than “nigger” for me and people in my community”-comment 47.”

Here is what you said in #47:

“And using the word “nigga” as a “term of endearment” does not make me “ignorant, uneducated and classless” , and I could elaborate, but a simple fuck you will do for that statement.”

“The Black Panther party did not have a strong presence in Oakland when I was growing up. Do you know what did….the word NIGGA! among other things of course, but “nigga” was explained and used as an entirely different word than “nigger” for me and people in my community.”

So if drugs were a “strong presence in Oakland” (which I’m sure it is), does that make it ok for you to use drugs??? So if I “explain” to you that ignorant is a positive term, will you start using it to refer to your “friend/patna’/homie”?

“Me using the word “nigga” does not affect my people more than my people being treated like NIGGERS.”

So if I treat you like you are a crazy person are you going to check into an Insane Asylum??? If I treat you like a homeless man, are you going to start sleeping on a park bench??? If I treat you like a woman, are you going to start wearing woman’s clothes??? I don’t think you realize how ridiculous and idiotic you sound on this! If some dude treats your daughter like a whore, should she start acting and living like one???

What do you mean, “Me using the word “nigga” does not affect my people more than my people being treated like NIGGERS”???

“The thing i will say about your “Aquashanequa welfare queen” comment, is that for one who is talking about white supremecy and it’s control, you sure buy into the stereotypes and spew it right back out.”

The Aquashanequa welfare queen is NOT a stereotype as much as it is a FACT. There are thousands of black woman who make a career out of public assistance and becoming a baby mama. It’s sad, but true! And most of them share a similar mentality to you; society doesn’t think very much of me or expect very much from me, so let me just prove them right! That’s ignorance at its finest my dear!

“That, and that you sound like a fuckin idiot if you think my choice to use the word “nigga” will turn my daughter into “welfare queen”.”

Auh, yeah it would! As I said in #51:

“For the sake of your precious young daughter – STOP USING THAT WORD! You don’t want her to end up like Sherri Sheppard (Sherri grow up around drugs and has had multiple abortions and admits she’s done much wrong in her life) saying ‘I grew up with my family using it’.”

“And yes, I believe that Sherri lived such a questionable life b/c of the fact that everyone in her family freely used that word. If you don’t have enough pride to realize that there is nothing endearing about that term, then you will not have enough pride to live a decent, clean and full life.”

You also stated:

““Nigga” is an endearing term for me, as well as many others just the same as “blue” represents a color that we all agree in society as blue.”

Darling, this doesn’t make a lick of sense!!! And I don’t want you to feel “talked down to” so I will not breakdown why this is completely nonsensical, and how your non-defined definition of nigga pales in comparison to the distinction of a color.

“But God, Allah, or any higher power did not give us a word book by which we follow…”

YES GOD did! It’s called the Bible. And it tells how we should speak, and how language will be used against us.

“Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.” Genesis 11:7

“So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and he is a foreigner to me.” 1 Corinthians 14:9-11

“But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.” Colossians 3:8

“Ah, Sovereign LORD, I said, I do not know how to speak; I am only a child.” Jeremiah 1:5-7

Using filthy words destroys your spirit, and no matter what language you speak or what spin or slang you give a word, one word can only have one meaning! The Bible says so!

107. Clifton Harrison wrote:

Tanya, this is the last time i will post on this thread because it’s clear even with my patience, i
can’t break through your ignorance (and it’s beginning to seem like stupidity).

“i provided actual proof of my intelligence”

-Yes i did, as in the article that was published about me graduating from a College…you know,
higher education. Look up the word intelligence in the dictionary if you are unaware of it’s
meaning.

“Everything I have stated here is absolute fact! But you will see it for yourself soon enough”

wow, i didn’t know you were the creator….There isn’t anything in this world that we know for an
absolute fact, and if you think that you know anything for absolute fact, than it is clear you are
really off the deep end! And come on, show and prove, put up or shut up, don’t talk about it, be about it!

Let me breakdown comment 47 and the rest of your questions or comments , so you can understand:

1) “And using the word “nigga” as a “term of endearment” does not make me “ignorant, uneducated and
classless”
In my opinion, using the word “nigga” as a term of endearment does not make me ignorant because
ignorance is a lack of knowledge, unaware, uniformed. I’m quite informed on what “nigga” means to
me, as well as what “nigga” means to people like yourself. So i’m neither uneducated nor ignorant.
As far as classless, I’m not sure what you define as class, but i’m assuming you are meaning some
sort of etiquette or manners, and in regards to that, i’m very respectful (for the most part) to all
people…that is until they push me too far and then i may lose that respect and insult them (which
isn’t the best option, but i’m not perfect).

2)“The Black Panther party did not have a strong presence in Oakland when I was growing up. Do you
know what did….the word NIGGA! among other things of course, but “nigga” was explained and used as
an entirely different word than “nigger” for me and people in my community.”
The Black Panther party’s collapse happened in the 1970’s or early 80’s at most, and i was
born in 1985, so that sense of strong black men and brothers and the education of our African
American history was not my part of my introduction to the word “nigga” or “nigger”. Maybe things
would have been different if i was never taught that their is a difference between “nigga” and
“nigger”, but that’s not what happened. I was introduced to the word by other classmates,friends,
people in the neighborhood, music, and life. I don’t actually recall the precise moment that someone
defined the word and explained the difference, but at some point in life (around 13, maybe 14) i
began using the word.

I honestly believe, (and this is no joke), that you are incapable of understanding that for some people, their is a difference, and that’s fine. I’ve met people like you in my life, and i can respect it. but regardless of what you think is or is not acceptable, “nigga” IS a different word than “Nigger” FOR ME.
So understand that you will not change my definition of the word. So in conclusion, the reason for the different definition is that i grew up in a different environment, society, culture than you and for me and the people i’ve grown up around, “nigger” is different than “nigga” (with nigger being the most foul term you could call a black person and nigga being another word for friend, patna, homie, etc.). Whether you agree or think that it is crazy is one thing, but that IS the reason. the “proof”, i really don’t understand, other than me using the word to my friends and them knowing that i mean it in love and respect, and not as our oppressors used the word nigger to refer to slaves, or white people when they referred to black people. and logic is a form of reasoning, which i explained. Whether you agree with it, that’s your opinion, but it is what it is.

3)”So if drugs were a “strong presence in Oakland” (which I’m sure it is), does that make it ok for
you to use drugs??? So if I “explain” to you that ignorant is a positive term, will you start using
it to refer to your “friend/patna’/homie”?”
first of all, if you have never been to Oakland, then you cannot speak on what does or does
not have a strong presence. But for the sake of the argument, in some parts, you have a heavy amount
of drugs, and in others, it’s very nice. Your assumptions only make an ass of yourself. Your second
question is not worth answering because it has no relevance. “Ignorant” does not carry or hold the
same meaning as “nigger” or “Nigga”, so even comparing the two in an attempt to..i don’t know what
you are attempting or trying to prove, but it doesn’t make any sense. Use a better, more relevant
analogy.

4)“Me using the word “nigga” does not affect my people more than my people being treated like
NIGGERS.”
I apologize if this statement was not clear enough, but here we go. My speaking the actual
word “nigga” (and for the sake of this point, it can mean the same as “nigger”), but me saying
either of those words, as in the sound that comes out of my mouth, and is heard (or in this case
read) does not affect you or your family in a more harmful, painful, disrespectful, unjust way than
an actual person being chained, whipped, forced to work without being paid, lynched, or any other
unfair treatment that our actual people suffered through. So to be clear, the actual sound that you
hear that is the word “nigger” will never be as bad and as hurtful as our people actually being
treated as “niggers”. Do you understand that? (and that is not sarcasm, i’m truly hoping you
understand that because i don’t know how to break it down any further).

5)”The Aquashanequa welfare queen is NOT a stereotype as much as it is a FACT. There are thousands
of black woman who make a career out of public assistance and becoming a baby mama. It’s sad, but
true! And most of them share a similar mentality to you; society doesn’t think very much of me or
expect very much from me, so let me just prove them right! That’s ignorance at its finest my dear!”
It is a stereotype, being that a stereotype is “A conventional, formulaic, and
oversimplified conception, opinion, or image.”. You stated in comment 94, that i’m “married (or
maybe just living with) an Aquashanequa welfare queen”. For one, you personally know that’s not true
because you read the article, which actually lists my wife’s name (Zekeia, which is a different
spelling, but comes from the arabic name Zakiyah, which means pure). And being that you don’t know
much about Oakland, you are operating and formulating your opinions on the stereotypical
representation of black men and women from urban neighborhoods and cities. That is why you are using
disrespectful and ignorant stereotypes, and that is wrong.

6) As you said in comment 51, “For the sake of your precious young daughter – STOP USING THAT WORD!
You don’t want her to end up like Sherri Sheppard (Sherri grow up around drugs and has had multiple
abortions and admits she’s done much wrong in her life) saying ‘I grew up with my family using it’.”

and

“If you don’t have enough pride to realize that there is nothing endearing about that term, then you
will not have enough pride to live a decent, clean and full life.”

First, drugs are everywhere in this country, and eventually my daughter will be exposed to
them. But she won’t grow up playing with coke and puffin on weed if that’s what your suggesting. And
i’m not sure, but if you are suggesting or stating that Sherri Sheppard having abortions and doing
wrong in her life was solely the result of her family using the word “nigga”, that i don’t think i
can help you. But i don’t want to discuss abortions and what she or you feel is wrong about that and
in life in general, because quite frankly, i don’t care to. But as i’ve said earlier, just because
you don’t, can’t, and/or won’t use that term in an endearing manner does not make people who do less

proud or prohibit them from living a “decent, clean and full life”. that statement, as well as
others (in my opinion) points to your problem with the way you see the world.

7)”And I don’t want you to feel “talked down to” so I will not breakdown why this is completely
nonsensical, and how your non-defined definition of nigga pales in comparison to the distinction of
a color.”

“But God, Allah, or any higher power did not give us a word book by which we follow…”

“Using filthy words destroys your spirit, and no matter what language you speak or what spin or
slang you give a word, one word can only have one meaning! The Bible says so!”

wow, what a way to close out your post (that is sarcasm!!).

First and foremost, i respect your opinion and belief, and i’m not trying to disrespect your faith
or anything of the nature, honesty and truly. I don’t play with that and never joke about that,
especially with people i don’t know.

With that being said, first of all i hope i’ve clearly defined for you my definition of “nigga”
(which is a way of saying friend, patna, homie, etc. for me). Secondly, i was trying to state that
we (you, me and anyone who uses language) often accepts the definitions that society assigns to
words. the word blue has been assigned a specific color, and you grew up believing that the color we
know as “blue” is in fact blue. But a person who grows up and everyone from his/her teachers,
friends, and parents tells him that what we know as “red” is actually “blue”, will believe that the
word “red” represents the color we call as “blue”. Meaning, we were not born with the knowledge of
what any and every word in the english (or any other language) means. This is what we learn, but who
is to say what we are taught is correct? but this all relates back to the fact I feel we as people
can’t ever “know” anything to be an absolute fact.

But moving forward, your quoting the bible is respected, and it’s great that you can pull out quotes
and all, but I personally (nor can you for that matter) tell me with absolute certainty that the
words, stories, and scriptures in the bible are from God’s lips. But i really don’t want to bring
your faith or mine into this to that degree, so i will just prove my point with your own statement.
“one word can only have one meaning”.

here are some examples that disprove that statement, whether the bible or you says so.

light- “I turned on the light to see better” or “the feather was very light”
trip- “be careful, you could trip and fall” or “i’m going on a trip to oakland”
show- “i went to a show last night” or “Clif sure did show Tanya that she was wrong!”

Tanya, these are called homonyms. Maybe you should attend a grammar school again?

And you define the word “nigga” as filthy, but your definition does not reign supreme (if you didn’t know). I believe i have answered all of your questions and hopefully you can take the knowledge i have given you and become a better person. If you want to continue, please read this post, and base your questions from my answers and thinks you weren’t clear about, because i can’t continue going all over the place with this debate, it reminds me too much of Faux News.

108. Cézsar wrote:

“Using filthy words destroys your spirit” – Tanya (aka MrsPickron)

“But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.” – Tanya (aka MrsPickron)

“Ah, Sovereign LORD, I said, I do not know how to speak; I am only a child.” – Tanya (aka MrsPickron)

^Ah, you listened to my advice…I see you are back to doing self-portraits. Hahaha! You make this too easy. Just read all of your posts on this entire blog – with your quotes above in mind – and witness a child throwing a permanent temper tantrum.

Your masochistic proclivities keep you exposing yourself like this, and I’m sure you dont even realise when you are doing it. I think it is safe to summise that you, young lady, are in a state of permanent self-sabotage. Anyway keep those self-portraits coming…I must say they are a joy to read

“Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.” – Tanya (aka MrsPickron)

^What a poor mission statement to have in life young lady. But it certainly explains the amount of time and energy you invest in exposing your inner confusion on this blog. Talk about labouring in vain lol! It is quite entertaining though, keep it up

109. Tanya wrote:

Clif,

LORD Help you!

“-Yes i did, as in the article that was published about me graduating from a College…you know, higher education. Look up the word intelligence in the dictionary if you are unaware of it’s meaning.”

Darling, having a degree does NOT prove intelligence (as you have clearly exhibited). Intelligence is the ability to understand; that which you have failed. Intelligence is also defined as “the ability to use language” (spelling/grammar/syntax/context/subtext – all of which you have failed).

Also, an intelligent person would know the proper usage of “it’s” and “its”. You used it wrong in your statement quoted above! (You only seem to keep proving how unintelligent you are.)

Maybe you should look up the word intelligent, b/c no dictionary in the world includes “recipient of a degree” in the definition.

Based on your proven unintelligence (inability to use language), it is no surprise to me that #107 went straight over your head!

“light- “I turned on the light to see better” or “the feather was very light”
trip- “be careful, you could trip and fall” or “i’m going on a trip to oakland”
show- “i went to a show last night” or “Clif sure did show Tanya that she was wrong!”

Tanya, these are called homonyms. Maybe you should attend a grammar school again?”

No dear, these are called HOMOGRAPHS!

But based on your poor grasp of language I really don’t think you are ready for a discussion on how and why homonyms, homographs, homophones, heteronyms, capitonyms or other variants of words (all of which are a relatively new concept) have come about.

But understand that more original languages like Latin and Aramaic lack these variants (homographs etc.). You are not ready to grasp or discuss Glottology or Glottogony!

Please understand that it is the Bible that explains that one word can only have one meaning. I accept this to be true, and through logic and extensive study in the Classics, Glottology and Glottogony, I understand this to be true. But you are just not ready for these existential ideals.

BTW- the only things I was referring to as absolute fact was the personal statements I made about me.

And oh…

“I believe i have answered all of your questions and hopefully you can take the knowledge i have given you and become a better person.”

I can’t even tell you how hard this made me laugh! You need to leave that welfare line in Oakland and hike your way Hollywood! You will fit right in at Comic View, b/c you are pure comedy! And Guess What…..they’ll let you use the word nigga!

110. Tanya wrote:

Cézsar,

You need a father! I’m sorry nobody loved you!

111. Cézsar wrote:

“Cézsar, I like you!” – Tanya

“Cézsar we need to meet!” – Tanya

^I know one person that has a crush You gotta clean up your act first though.

112. Tanya wrote:

Cézsar,

That was waaaaay back when your other personality was dominate!

And that was ONLY in regards to two specific comments you made that I thought were interesting. (You know damn well I don’t want to meet anyone over the internet, especially someone whose picture I’ve never seen. That was a simple and frivolous expression used to show agreement to two specific comments you made.)

How about you quote something I said about you recently!

But honestly, based on the feminine quality of your comments, I wouldn’t be surprised if you were gay!

113. Clifton Harrison wrote:

smh,

“Darling, having a degree does NOT prove intelligence (as you have clearly exhibited). Intelligence is the ability to understand; that which you have failed. Intelligence is also defined as “the ability to use language” (spelling/grammar/syntax/context/subtext – all of which you have failed).”

So what you seem to be telling me, is that because i’ve had a handful of spelling errors, that i’ve failed at spelling/grammar/etc.? ok…..

If i did not have the ability to understand, i don’t think i would have been able to successfully complete my degree at a 4-year college (which i have done and my degree represents that). I didn’t think i had to break down the process and logic of thought for why i have intelligence if i have my degree. It’s clear that you haven’t learned much and still depend on your high school education, and that’s cool, but you have to step up your game if you wanna actually debate or exchange ideas with others in the future. Pointing out grammatical errors and not being able to actually debate the ideas won’t get you far, but then again, i don’t think Burger King is a place where you have intellectual discussions!

Actually, homograph, (if you look it up) is a word that is written the same, but may or may not be pronounced the same, homonym is a word that IS the same in sound and spelling, but has different meanings. I used homonym because it is a more concrete definition, so that you wouldn’t be able to wiggle your way out of being wrong. I have proved to you that your statement was/is/will always be false!

“But understand that more original languages like Latin and Aramaic lack these variants ” Are you using Latin, Aramaic muthafucka? No!! we are writing in English.

“Please understand that it is the Bible that explains that one word can only have one meaning. I accept this to be true, and through logic and extensive study in the Classics, Glottology and Glottogony, I understand this to be true. But you are just not ready for these existential ideals”

So please answer THIS QUESTION:

do you not believe the word “light” has two different definitions? One referring to weight, and the other referring illumination?

Please answer that question….

“You need to leave that welfare line in Oakland and hike your way Hollywood! You will fit right in at Comic View, b/c you are pure comedy! And Guess What…..they’ll let you use the word nigga!”

I guess that because i also proved how ignorant you were/are for using stereotypes (about your own people in fact), that you have nothing else to do except continue using them, and that’s cool. I personally have never been on welfare, but if i was, i wouldn’t be ashamed, being that it is put in place for a reason, and not just black people use it (if you didn’t know…)

114. Clifton Harrison wrote:

“But honestly, based on the feminine quality of your comments, I wouldn’t be surprised if you were gay!”

Cezar, this is when you know you’ve defeated a poser of intelligence! She had nothing left to go on, so she uses this one…how original!

Tanya is a very sad individual….

115. Cézsar wrote:

Too right Clif. LMAO! What is this, high school? “You’re gay”? That’s it? This is the intelligence you speak of? Hahaha! How do you ever expect to be taken seriously?

Young lady look, although you obviously enjoy a good spanking judgjing by the contents of this thread, I’m starting to feel sorry for you now, so I’m going to help you…

Dont let anger ruin your life. Contrary to what you believe, rhetoric can not conceal anger, it can only ever express it, no matter how sublime. So be cool, be decent, be graceful and earn the title LADY, and be more reasonable and diplomatic and less emotional or pay the real price in your life. That’s the best advice I can give you.

Endlessly you labour in vain trying to prove your intelligence to everyone on this board as if it means anything to anyone other than yourself. Even if everyone agreed, then what? Huh? Such futility. If you yourself were convinced of it, then you would have nothing to prove in the first place. Remember that.

Oh and I believe “dominant” is the word you were looking for in post #113 NOT “dominate”. There is a difference.

Anyway, it’s all love from me…have a good weekend. You too Clif.

116. Cézsar wrote:

P.S. It’s been fun.

117. Clifton harrison wrote:

“So be cool, be decent, be graceful and earn the title LADY”

couldn’t have said it better

118. Tanya wrote:

Cézsar,

I have defeated and destroyed you on many levels and on many posts. (And that is very clear to anyone who has understanding.)

If holding on to those two comments you referenced in #112 is the only bit of love you can latch on to in your life, then so be it! (See how my words still help those who try to reject it!!!)

(You know your GAY! Blame it on your daddy issues! Only a gay man would be so catty and desperate for revenge that he would jump on a kid’s nuts (a kid that he KNEW was wrong) just to feel like he was validated in some way!!!) I see you! Hi Hater! Don’t be mad that I’m a woman who is smarter than you! (I’m everything you want to be: A WOMAN and SMART; you mentioned your obsession with estrogen levels before.)

Clif,

There are people with high school diplomas that can’t READ!!!

That fact that you benefited from Affirmative Action and they decided to just push you through and give you a degree so they can write a story and say “see we help blacks”, does not make you intelligent, OK!

Newsflash – it is not breaking news to report that someone has a degree. Millions of people receive degrees every semester! The reason you hit the news is b/c it’s a shocker an ignorant fool like you actually showed up to class! You acquired all of your credits based on attendance boo; that is obvious!

FYI –

Homograph – words that share the SAME SPELLING with a DIFFERENT MEANING

Homonym – words that share the SAME PRONOUCIATION but DIFFERENT SPELLING with a DIFFERENT MEANING

Homophone – words that share the SAME PRONOUCIATION and have BOTH DIFFERENT SPELLING AND/OR THE SAME SPELLING with a DIFFERENT MEANING

“light- “I turned on the light to see better” or “the feather was very light”
trip- “be careful, you could trip and fall” or “i’m going on a trip to oakland”
show- “i went to a show last night” or “Clif sure did show Tanya that she was wrong!”

“I used homonym because it is a more concrete definition…”

No simple child, all of your examples share the SAME SPELLING!!! So they ARE NOT Homonyms! They are HOMOGRAPHS – that’s more concrete!

If you had an understanding of language you would be able to identify the suffixes – “graph”, “nym”, “phone”, which directly indicate the difference.

Damn, that degree has done NOTHING for you!

Check the MLA reference guide. (A competent Communications graduate would know what that is!!!)

Clif, sorry to brake it to you, but you ARE a Nigger!

119. Tanya wrote:

Clif,

“couldn’t have said it better”

You are right here! There is NOTHING you could say better than ANYONE!

120. Clifton Harrison wrote:

“That fact that you benefited from Affirmative Action and they decided to just push you through and give you a degree so they can write a story and say “see we help blacks”, does not make you intelligent, OK!

Newsflash – it is not breaking news to report that someone has a degree. Millions of people receive degrees every semester! The reason you hit the news is b/c it’s a shocker an ignorant fool like you actually showed up to class! You acquired all of your credits based on attendance boo; that is obvious!”

the fact of the matter is that you are throwing out assumptions, and your personal beliefs (which don’t hold any weight).

If you would like, you can call contra costa times and verify with the writer, or St. Mary’s College and talk to my professors. I personally know my self worth and my intelligence. I only posted that article because it backs up my statements for being smart, you on the other hand are just an angry ol’ hag.

“Clif, sorry to brake it to you, but you ARE a Nigger!”

This comment here is a good representation of the self-hatred you have in your soul. I hope that your faith in God is strong so that he will forgive you of your sins.

121. Clifton Harrison wrote:

and fyi, homonym, -phone, or -graph, it still proves my fucking point!! That you admitted to….even though you didn’t answer the question i told you to answer!!

Now go on and get to burger King, i’m sure some customers want those whoppers with cheese on the double!!

122. Cézsar wrote:

“If holding on to those two comments you referenced in #112 is the only bit of love you can latch on to in your life, then so be it!” – Tanya (MrsPickron)

^Ah the ugly face of unrequited love. As you mature and become a woman, you’ll come to learn to deal with rejection better. I suppose the reason you’re single is because all men are gay too right? LOL!

The reason I rejected your advances and the reason you are single is because of your ugly character and you know it. Admit it, you’re going to have to take my advice and clean up your act or stay single…and become another statistic.

With all your supposed “intelligence” you cant even get a man? LOL! Tut tut tut…that’s not so smart now is it? Hehe. You’re so angry…let it go darling, let it go…for your own sake. Vibrators are no substitute for the real thing you know.

123. Cézsar wrote:

Oh and MrsPickron, er, Tanya, if you insist on being such a pedantic self-hating Black individual, then at least learn how to spell…so you can hate better:

“Clif, sorry to ‘brake’ it to you, but you ARE a Nigger!” – Tanya (MrsPickron)

^Sorry to “brake” it to him? Just what motor vehicle exactly are you “brake”[ing]to him? LOL! Again I ask you, how do you expect to be taken seriously?